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Okay, I am in a bit of an awkward position. I recently started going to a yoga centre run by an organization I have practiced with in the past. On Wednesday I took a class and I sensed (in that way that women can sense) that the teacher might have some sort of attraction to me. I let it slide, because he wasn't being creepy or inappropriate and was remaining professional. Except at one point when I had a lot of tension in my feet after one of the asanas and he came and kneaded them with his while I was on my belly. That seemed a little odd but if it were a woman I would have thought nothing of it.
Then after class he offered me a ride home (I live really close) and is it was night and not that safe for me to be out alone I accepted. He didn't try anything weird and was very respectful. The next day we got to chatting (he wan't teaching that course) and ended up having coffee. He subtly mentioned at some point that he found me "beautiful" and pretty much made it clear without being creepy that he liked me. Today he brought me a gift. It's pretty clear he is trying to slowly engage in dating but I am not sure this is really appropriate. The place where I practice does not list the facilitators and they change all the time so I don't know who will teach a class on any given day. I only have had a class with im on that one day that we met and I think he is a good instructor so I don't want to try to avoid his classes or anything. I am however concerned that he might be tempted to give me extra attention in class which is not okay. Plus, he's a nice person and hasn't shown me any disrespect or creepiness, but I just am not sure how appropriate all of this is.
I taught writing for years and I remember having a couple of students who developed crushes, which I think is something every teacher has to deal with. However I have never had a crush on any of my students, nor have I ever had a teacher or professor behave like this. What should I do? I think I can keep our friendship platonic long enough for him to get over his puppy-crush and find ground in the friend category, so maybe that's the next step forward. Anybody have any similar experiences? And teachers, is the foot kneading thing inappropriate? Thanks for your insight.
Then after class he offered me a ride home (I live really close) and is it was night and not that safe for me to be out alone I accepted. He didn't try anything weird and was very respectful. The next day we got to chatting (he wan't teaching that course) and ended up having coffee. He subtly mentioned at some point that he found me "beautiful" and pretty much made it clear without being creepy that he liked me. Today he brought me a gift. It's pretty clear he is trying to slowly engage in dating but I am not sure this is really appropriate. The place where I practice does not list the facilitators and they change all the time so I don't know who will teach a class on any given day. I only have had a class with im on that one day that we met and I think he is a good instructor so I don't want to try to avoid his classes or anything. I am however concerned that he might be tempted to give me extra attention in class which is not okay. Plus, he's a nice person and hasn't shown me any disrespect or creepiness, but I just am not sure how appropriate all of this is.
I taught writing for years and I remember having a couple of students who developed crushes, which I think is something every teacher has to deal with. However I have never had a crush on any of my students, nor have I ever had a teacher or professor behave like this. What should I do? I think I can keep our friendship platonic long enough for him to get over his puppy-crush and find ground in the friend category, so maybe that's the next step forward. Anybody have any similar experiences? And teachers, is the foot kneading thing inappropriate? Thanks for your insight.
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Fri, October 17, 2008 - 11:23 AMI would be direct and say that since you get a lot out of his class you really want to keep the relationship as teacher/student without any romantic component.
If he does not honor that, then I would take it up with the center leadership and find a different class.
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Fri, October 17, 2008 - 11:38 AMOMG...he likes you. People end up liking and disliking each other in all sorts of situations they experience together in life. That's life. It even happens online...but that isn't life and it's not exactly real IMO...unless it transitions to real life.
Yes, be direct, but nice that you'd prefer to maintain some boundaries you feel are appropriate for you.
Then ask yourself whether you have any interest if he indicated the same interest if the established roles were not there.
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Fri, October 17, 2008 - 11:40 AMYou might also want to ask yourself if you would have the same response and issues about appropriateness if it were someone you were strongly attracted to.
I'd bet not.
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Fri, October 17, 2008 - 11:44 AMRegardless of whether or not Margot is attracted to the guy is not the point though. If she's not comfortable with changing the dynamics of teacher/student to something else, than she shouldn't have to worry about it during her practice.
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Fri, October 17, 2008 - 11:52 AMYeah it's not that I find him attractive or not, I mean physically yeah he isn't bad but I don't know him well enough and as Jay pointed out that's not the issue.
The issue is that I am not sure it's appropriate or conducive to good practice. True, there are people in all situations that you might find attractive. There's a guy I work with who I think is sweet and attractive but will I dwell on it or act on it? No way! Why? Because it is not appropriate!
SO yes I will explain to him what I have explained to you all. AM curiosu though, have other people had similar situations as students or teachers? I think it's particularly interesting in the yoga context. -
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Fri, October 17, 2008 - 12:06 PMI think it's a valid and related question. I think human's sense of ethics and appropriateness becomes flexible when it's regarding something we want or we stand to gain in some way.
Why is your co-worker off-limits? why is it inappropriate? Is he your superior; are you his? Yes, then it would be inappropriate. Feeling each other up at work...probably inappropriate. Seeing each other after work and one is not supervising the other...perfectly appropriate.
My yoga teacher gave me a a foot massage during corpse pose. I wasn't expecting it but it felt really great; He also gave one to my yoga friend. She really liked it too.
On occasion, my yoga friend and I have caressed each other in class. Appropriate? maybe, maybe not...we've known each other long enough to know that some things require a different form of communication. So we do. Then again, she and I aren't exactly sticklers for rules.
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Fri, October 17, 2008 - 12:32 PMI agree with Haw.
He like syou. It happens. that's a nice thing.
A good friend married a person who was first her instructor and then they dated and married. They led many retreats to gether.. she learne dto become an outstanding yog ainstructor from her relationship an dthe ongoing nature of their relationship.
Sadly, after 7 years of marriage they divorced.
her life became a life from her marriage.. a lirfe which would have been great as she is a wonderful person bu tthe complete immersion in yoga defined part of her life.
What a healthy place to meet someone.
I have to go.. off t yoga class with a male teacher...
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Cathy
ok I am single.. at least I can tease a littl eabou tmyself.
I think you can work out the ethics.
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Fri, October 17, 2008 - 1:16 PMMargot - Sounds like you're very grounded about the situation and handling it well. The point is that a teacher shouldn't be putting a student in a position where they have to negotiate their teacher's (unprofessional) desires and thereby cause them to feel uncomfortable. Clearly that's what's happened in this case. You sound pretty self assured and able to manage the situation (and able to ask for help and advice) but another person may not be and may feel pressured by the situation and be unduly influenced by the teacher's status - this very lack of integrity has been at the centre sexual abuse scandals at various ashrams and is a misuse of authority. That said, it is worth remember that teachers are just people too and can sometimes be confused or not recognize that something is inappropriate - you may be doing him a favor by bringing this up and actually be his "teacher" in this matter ;-) -
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Fri, October 17, 2008 - 1:25 PMThe world of human relations is filled with myriad shades of grey...some pretty colors too.
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Fri, October 17, 2008 - 6:33 PMWell, if you like the guy and he likes you - then just drop his class and spend time with him outside of class. It's not like there's a shortage of yoga teachers out there. I've seen this issue come up on this tribe a number of times, and it seems that the consensus has been that it's not the right thing to do, and under many circumstances it may not be. I think it depends on the person (your teacher) and you. I've had a number of great relationships with people at work and through classes over the years, and some of these have turned out to be most rewarding and have lasted many years. Admittedly, when you have to jump through a hoop to become more involved in a relationship - things can become a bit more dicey. What else is new?. Whether or not the person happens to be a teacher or not, that he sits at the front of the room and teaches, well, these things are irrelevant - at least to me.
I'd say - look at him as being just a person. Is he someone you'd like to spend more time with? If not, tell him. If you do, tell him.
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Fri, October 17, 2008 - 3:51 PMhey margot!
i had a similar deal with a male yoga teacher (although not as overt), who did use the classroom as a dating pool. when i confronted him, he told me i was "projecting" and that my "practice was about to blossom" so maybe things were coming up for me. in short, he did not take any responsibility for his actions, and it really effected my practice. my advice is to avoid taking classes with him until the vibes are less charged.
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Sat, October 18, 2008 - 6:38 AMMarnie - Yeah, since Margot's teacher was throwing hints rather than being direct it struck me that he may be trying to send out a signal that he can then deny sending if he got turned down...he seemed to be either blurring professional boundaries intentionally or because he's unaware of appropriate boundaries and taking ownership of one' s own intent and actions. I could, of course, be reading more into it than there was but I've heard about versions of your experience all too often (and have experienced that whole new agey attempt to manipulate that you report but just not with teachers). It's really very simple, a good teacher has integrity. To live and act with integrity means taking responsibility for oneself. -
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Sat, October 18, 2008 - 7:10 AMAbsolutely no offense to the guys here intended but I suspect you may not understand just how common it is for a guy to get really shitting and vengeful with a woman when she reveals she's not interested in him sexually or romantically and he's got a crush or desire for conquest that we're frustrating (if it was really about liking and appreciating who we are as an individual, then the guy wouldn't hate us for not being who he wants us to be....which is someone into him and who conforms to his desires). I'm sure there are situations where guys have to deal with someone in a position of authority using that position to express their displeasure at being turned down too (whether it's directly or passive aggressively expressed), it's just that women still end up in these positions more often because of social dynamics and structure. -
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Sat, October 18, 2008 - 7:35 AMFifi,
You are reading much too much into it.
I hope you have more things to do today.
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Sat, October 18, 2008 - 11:12 AMcathyg - The weather's not so great where I am today (cold and cloudy with rain in the forecast) but I already went for a hike up the mountain earlier when it was nice and it's a work day for me (hence being online on a Saturday doing a bit of procrastinating). What're you doing here if the weather's great outside where you live? Or are you just telling me to go away because you're feeling unpleasant today and you're a bit envious of someone being cruised by their yoga teacher even if they're not finding it a particularly appealing or comfortable position to be in?
Clearly you don't have any greater insight or knowledge of the situation being discussed so I'm not sure why you're sure that your reading is correct. I'm not proposing my take on it is accurate, as I was clear about (hence giving you entry for snark apparently). I'm just sharing my take on it, just like you. The original poster can take or leave what she likes according to her take on her situation *shrug* -
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Sat, October 18, 2008 - 11:30 AMFifi,
I posted at 7;35 in the morning after a walk.
grow up
go to work
quit being such a rude critic know-it-all
Read the other poster's comments to you. Dis them as well.
Your stick up your ass on so many tribes is well-known and certainly shows.
try being light
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Sat, October 18, 2008 - 11:57 AMcathy - We all share this tribe, accept it. I hope you're getting something (anything!) out of your attempts to get me to leave simply because we're different, see things differently and you don't like me. -
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Sat, October 18, 2008 - 12:24 PMi am not trying to get anyoen to elave Fifi.
I am reflecting back to you that you pontificate quite a bit. Others on this thread have also responded to that. -
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Sat, October 18, 2008 - 12:31 PMMy ladies, you have both given me some great insight into my orignal question and I thank you both for that. But please don't fight here, it's a beautiful day out and there are lots of people killing each other outside. :-p
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Wed, October 22, 2008 - 2:41 PMHehehehehehe
I suspect women, just as men become "shitting & vengeful" when they're rejected. I think it's human not to like being rejected, not a conditional emotion based on sex.
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Don't think the teacher is misusing or abusing his power. I don't think it has anything to do with power at all really. As some others have mentioned, you don't always get to choose where and when you will find another person attractive. I can understand how you may feel uncomfortable not knowing who will teach this class from week to week however. Might be tough not knowing what to expect.
My 1/2 a cent is to decide what your feelings are for him. Strictly teacher / student? Friend? Something More? And express from that point forward.
If you're asking if it's appropriate then my question to you becomes how much of an expectational person are you? That's not a question for any of us to answer. I think you know you'll never find your adventures in the places you expect : ) I say toss as much expectation and judgment as you can right out the window and stand in your own Power. Own your space and actions and take what you can out of his classes if you enjoy them.
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Wed, October 22, 2008 - 2:56 PM"Own your space and actions and take what you can out of his classes if you enjoy them."
I should say take as much out of his classes and HIM! What / which ever you enjoy.
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Sat, October 18, 2008 - 8:13 AMFifi - no offense to you, but your post seems to embody everything to me that's weird about the USA these days, many people are so paranoid and have been so run over by bullshit media and such a weird overall culture, that you can't even approach a girl to talk to her without her thinking you're a rapist, or stalker, or creep or whatever.
Far as I know, men and women have been getting together in one way or another for well.....you know, since as long as sexual reproduction has existed. From what I read of Margot's original post the guy has been respectful and gentle and hasn't imposed himself on her in any way. Doesn't seem like someone who is trying to make her uncomfortable in any way. Therefore, the respectful thing for Margot to do (assuming she's not interested) is to make that clear to him by not going out to coffee, not accepting rides, and if the guy insists, then just saying to him "hey, thanks, but not interested". If then he persists, then there's a problem.
I lived most of my life in the states and now live in Chile (I'm from here) and it's funny, the differences. Here you can hit on any girl you like. If she's not interested you won't make it too far past hello before it's clear that she's not interested. Hit on an american girl though, and if she's not interested she immediately gets uncomfortable, and weirded out, and feels the need to ignore you or go to a different class or something. All I have to say to that is - get over yourselves, you're not quite that special. Men hit on women. End of story. This can vary from massively inappropriate to totally respectful and legit. Don't just assume that because a guy wants to buy you a cup of coffee (the horror!) that he's some creep who's going to make your life terrible. -
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Sat, October 18, 2008 - 11:37 AMJav - I'm not American and I'm speaking from personal experience with guys who don't respect boundaries or use positions of authority to try to impose their desires. I also have an even larger personal experience with guys who are people first and who don't do that kind of shit (and who actually like women, not the case with all men...the reverse is, of course, also true). I didn't say that this guy was being a creep, just that he seemed to be unclear on professional boundaries so being direct with him is the best way to clear up any confusion this had created that had led the OP to post about it here. I certainly didn't say "run like the wind". I pointed out the inherent unbalanced power dynamic between a teacher and student (this wasn't just some guy from her class) - that exists irrelevant of the gender of both parties (it would be just as lacking in integrity if it was a Gay male teacher hitting on a male student, it's not about gender but about the dynamics of power). Another poster shared her story about how a yoga teacher was creepy with her and then claimed she was projecting, I've heard women recount experiences like this (often they feel ashamed and responsible) and had some of my own. They're hardly life threatening but it can make people uncomfortable in yoga or with a teacher, and bring another relationship dynamic into class. Sometimes this can be negotiated with integrity - which generally means speaking openly about something not dancing around it - and for some people it can't and becomes a distraction not only to the teacher and student but also the class.
You're actually shoring up and agreeing with one of my points - so it appears you're having a knee jerk reaction to what you think I wrote not what I actually wrote. That point was that *some* men (I don't see all men as being the same, do you?) hit on women even though they have no interest in us as individual people - it's not because we're special but because they think they're special and women exists as objects to serve their desires with the woman's desire being irrelevant. Only really needy women think they're special cause some guy whistles at them or cruises them just because we have tits (those of us who value ourselves know we have tits and appreciate them, we're just interested in finding out if there's a deeper appreciation or someone is just looking to use us as an interchangeable body). None of this makes any women think they're special (and your response smacks a bit of men who get angry at women who say "no", as if we're not allowed to make choices based on our own desires).
All in all, I think the OP has a good take on her situation (and ultimately only her opinion matters vis a vis her situation and how she handles it). She asked for our opinions, we gave them. You can continue projecting "everything that's weird about the USA these days" onto me if you want but apparently it's getting in the way of actually reading what wrote (so much so that you corrected me by agreeing with one of my points! :-) -
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Sat, October 18, 2008 - 11:55 AM"I let it slide, because he wasn't being creepy or inappropriate and was remaining professional."
"He didn't try anything weird and was very respectful. "
"made it clear without being creepy that he liked me."
"he's a nice person and hasn't shown me any disrespect or creepiness"
---All of the above are from Margot's original post------
Somehow I don't think Margot's original post really falls into the categories described in your diatribe about men whistling at women because of their tits, and women just being interchangeable bodies and not feeling special because someone whistled, etc.....
I mean, really, how did you get from one to the other? Seems more revealing to me of your own way of viewing men than what Margot was talking about.
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Sat, October 18, 2008 - 12:05 PMJav - The conversation progressed to a more general discussion of appropriateness. Sorry you're upset by women who say "no" or have their own opinions about stuff that differs from yours.
Exactly what's your issue with my recommending she just speak openly about it with him one on one?
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Sat, October 18, 2008 - 12:07 PMJav - Do you teach yoga? Do you cruise your students if you do? -
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Sun, October 19, 2008 - 2:29 AMFifi, I think you need to learn to read a little clearer
>>>>Sorry you're upset by women who say "no" or have their own opinions about stuff that differs from yours.
Oh, and uuuh, where are you getting this from exactly?
>>>>Exactly what's your issue with my recommending she just speak openly about it with him one on one?
That's what I recommended to her in my very first post on this thread, keep up Fifs!
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Fri, October 17, 2008 - 7:10 PMMargot,
I'd like to point out that you did accept a ride, had coffee with him, and apparently accepted his gift, so as far as he knows,everything is cool. Now all of a sudden you are concerned that it might not be appropriate. I feel his pain. At least he has made himself clear, while you, on the other hand are ambivalent.
Any teacher who takes a personal interest in a student opens himself up to charges of poor judgement. But come on, this isn't high school. He's not going to give you a grade that could affect your future. Presumably, you're both adults and apparently, he is only human. Your concern seems to be that he might give you some special attention in class, which of course would be uncool.
I think that you should not make a judgement based on what you think he might do. If he does something inappropriate, let him know how you feel. Don't accept any more rides or coffee. He'll get the message.
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Fri, October 17, 2008 - 7:13 PMthere ar elots of yoga classes with excellent teachers.
there arefewer available healthy men who understand the desire/need to practice yoga who may be interested in you.
Take it as a llovely gift of the universe.
You can change yoga classes. You can not so easily leave your work. One yoga class a week is one hour. Working with another is 40 hours in a week.
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Fri, October 17, 2008 - 10:41 PMThanks everyone.
Cathy what a good point! Thing is that I can't change classes because we don't have the same teacher on the same day (it is random and unlisted, and I think the centre does this to avoid people building up attachments to or preferances for specific instructors). Moreover, yoga class for me is 1.5 hours/day, still a lot less than a 40-hour work week but nevertheless a significant chunk of my life!
Sam you have a very good point, I did accept the ride and coffee.
Marnie, how funny to "see" you here! I think it's been years since we've physically crossed paths. Hope all is well, I'll PM you. -
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Sat, October 18, 2008 - 6:19 AMok fine, then switch lives with me.
i would like to date your yoga instructor.
I live in Seattle. You can avoid him and the coworker!!
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Sat, October 18, 2008 - 11:28 AMHahaha! Cathy, if you lived in Bali I would definitely consider it, but I am originally from Portland so that would be treason. -
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Sat, October 18, 2008 - 11:32 AMwell Margot,
darn..
let's just both go to Bali.
not until the rainy season from here tho.
Its gorgeous now. ( to FIFI, I cam ein from gardening to hav elunch>) -
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Sat, October 18, 2008 - 12:19 PMsounds like a plan! And nice weather in the PacNW in October?!?!? WTF?!?!? I can't believe there are still people out there who deny global warming *sigh* -
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Sat, October 18, 2008 - 12:29 PMok Margo tfirst we have to go to Costa Rica.. or you can meet me afterwards .. I am doing volunteer work there and then visiting a new yoga/danc estudio.
Round the world yoga studoio review /visit trip?/ Let's write a book.. you can bring your instructor/friend.. or we meet new friends along the way.. I am being cheerful.. . life has possibilities in every thought and plan.
I would date my yoga instructor, but would want to feel and define some boundaries so that others do not lose from the needed energy and focus appropriate in the calss.I would not date anyone I work with. Inever date a married man. I am going to meet a tai-Chi instructor who dances with some of the same people as I do this afternoon.. yes, it's a 'blind' date. -
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Sat, October 18, 2008 - 12:36 PMok you date my yoga instructor, I date yours, we write a book become millionaires and then move to Bali where male yoga instructors fan us with palms while standing on their heads.
I am objectifying men here, aren't I.
Seriously, though...you said "I would want to feel and define some boundaries so that others do not lose from the needed energy and focus appropriate in the class"
I wonder how that would work.
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Sat, October 18, 2008 - 1:00 PMMy friend, N( fake initial) dated her husband from a yoga class. One day he gave her a note after class, asking her if they could date. The y did so for awhile before anyone knew they were doign so. At soem tiem they decided to be OPEN about it as they go tinto a relationship. They married, hosted many yoga trips to many international places together, had a son, and then oen day announced together that they were separating. It split many hearts in our class.
30 years ago he and I met once to do yoga together and there definitely was a possibility of something more, bu \t I worked fo rthe airlines then and disappeared for awhiel and then we simply didn't connect. Now, N,(fake initial) and I are good friends. -
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Sat, October 18, 2008 - 1:02 PMNo Marogt, we open a yoga studio/retreat center with our millions from our "around the mat yoga love quests ( conquest??)" book and spoeaking engagements and we grow flowers and peaches in our organic garden.
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Sat, November 8, 2008 - 11:24 AMHopefullly he just has a deep respect for your inner beauty, and is one of those people whose feelings are wide open and on their sleeve. I admire those people's courage and honesty, and combat my guarded nature. I've had male teachers massage my feet, and felt weird about it, since it was such Western culture shock. But being a teacher, I immediately dismissed the thought, because I recognized that this teacher is just a very open, emotionally available person, who has no problem spreading his inner beauty and confidence, and stating what is wonderful about the world, and trying to be close to it. He also massaged everyone's feet equally, and he didn't give me "that kind of interest," as in the extended gaze deep into my eyes.
But if it feels awkward to you, don't let your feelings sour his class, or your practice. Either stay in the class and just enjoy what are beautiful feelings that haven't fully expressed thjemselves as something that would truly make you uncomfortable, and make a point to leave immediately after class. Lingering to talk to teh teacher could make him think you're interested. And don't be put in a position to need a ride. and if he really does have a crush on you, which I can assure you yoga teachers are human, then either pursue it, or just make the comment very clearly that you are glad he is your friend, and isn't it beautiful a man and woman can be friends and transcend all the hormonal stuff? There's nothing wrong with being flat out clear about that statement. And if it makes him back off, then it's becuse he got the idea. if he doesn't get it, tell him you love yoga, and you love yogis, but you're not interested in dating him. at that point, he'll either think you're a little wacky, or he'll realize he's come on too strong. In any case, you can both apologize for any misunderstnadings.
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Fri, November 21, 2008 - 6:35 AMI am surprised to read that anyoen woudl consider that the teachers' feelings were wide open .. from throwing a peron on the ground. It's not OK.
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Fri, November 21, 2008 - 7:39 AMI think you posted that on the wrong thread, CathyQ :p...maybe meant it for the thread about the pushy yoga teacher (the 'not a crush but...thread) :) -
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Sat, November 22, 2008 - 12:04 PMoops you are rightMargo
I apologize.
I am a bit sad so few people are postign on tribe these days
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Sat, November 22, 2008 - 12:22 PMdefinitely, tribe has got a bit boring :( -
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Sat, November 22, 2008 - 1:56 PMgovernment plot, hehehe
wouldnt be surprised
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Sat, November 22, 2008 - 3:07 PMLana,
You are an absolute Goddess.
What a great approach.
I wish more women knew how to handle and empower feminine energy like this.
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Thu, November 27, 2008 - 2:48 AMI agree with Sada...
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Sat, October 18, 2008 - 11:28 AM....."Has a crush on me" is high school talk. Maybe in High School the teachers are not allowed to have sex with the students. There was a time, about 40 years ago when teachers were expected to be some kind of asexual moral example for the kids because in those days sex was dirty.
-----Only now, in the grownup world, par contre, men are permitted to like women, and women are allowed to like men. And if you like somebody, you are free to approach them for the sake of moving things closer. ...Or to move apart, if that's what you prefer. It's all a part of the cosmic nataraj dance.
.....By Margot's own account the man acted discretely and within boundaries in the classroom. What happens outside the classroom stays outside the classroom. What can be "innapropriate" about boy-meets-girl. boy asks girl out on a date? Are we trying to get this guy fired out of some kind of misguided attempt to rack up some points with the bitter sisters of the sexual revolution? (That is soooo l980s!). I would say that Margot ought to take the man's attentiveness as a compliment, rather than trying to turn it against him. What is the point of taking someone down or hurting them when they are doing good or acting naturally?
There is more to Yoga than running through some calesthenics.
Metta
briggi!
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Sat, October 18, 2008 - 11:50 AMBriggi - "I would say that Margot ought to take the man's attentiveness as a compliment, rather than trying to turn it against him. What is the point of taking someone down or hurting them when they are doing good or acting naturally?"
Interesting but Margot seems to be quite capable of making up her own mind. She was merely asking for our opinions on a situation and what we thought about teachers cruising students. I'm curious, do the teachers here cruise, date or sleep with their students? Do you Briggi? Why or why not?
Asking someone their intentions directly when they're being unclear isn't "taking someone down or hurting them"! Exactly how is asking for someone to state their intentions clearly about whether they're romantically interested or just being friendly doing this? Or how is telling them you're not interested in a romantic or sexual relationship doing this? Should women sleep with men so they don't feel hurt by rejection? -
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Sat, October 18, 2008 - 12:17 PMLOL! Sympathy sex sound like a very bad idea!
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Sat, October 18, 2008 - 12:20 PMFifi, oo-la-la, Fifi,
.....The whole witch-hunt for "innapproriate behaviour" is all too often a vindictive misuse (and abuse) of women's rights. Getting people fired, ruining their lives... based on left=brain emotional reflex rather than rational conscience.... with little regard for the harm one actually inflicts. Maybe we all ought to work on tuning in to the age-old natural wisdom of our little body cells instead of trying to seek social concensus about what would be an acceptable position in the manmade world of sex politics du jour.
.....You ask if I've slept with my students, Fifi. And you know that's waht's so unfair about it. It takes real focus and concentration to keep the class on track. So during the workshop one just doesn't have the time or energy to be able to indulge in flirt. You really have to be above all that. However, after the session?... let's just say I've been approached and I've had my moments.
..... Hare Kali Ma
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Sat, October 18, 2008 - 12:26 PMHahaha during the session? Hehehe...
Briggi, I am not so concerned with your sex life but have you had regular students with whom you have developed a romantic relationship? I hope I am not prying, but I am curious: do you feel that this could impact the practice of the student or if it could lead you to give too much attention to the student with whom you are involved (or not enough attention as to not feel like you are giving special attention? Or do you feel that such relationships could negatively impact a student's practice? Thanks -
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Sat, October 18, 2008 - 1:08 PMMargot~
.....I guess you just have to keep your professional life seperate from your personal life... for the reasons mentioned. In being professional you want to be impartial, sharing the best knowledge you have with all who've come to you, without personal agenda showing through.... in a smooth engaging manner. At the same time, if you like somebody special, you can let them know with a look or a glance or something.... without the whole class getting involved... or even noticing.
.... and yeah, everything you do has some impact or effect. Not to say hide your feelings entirely for fear of things going off.
.....Without revealing too much of my personal history, let's just say that I have many friends and acquaintances, both close and otherwise, coming from my workshops. There's only so much sharing you can do during the structured time of a workshop. Much of the sharing, for a selected few who are in tune with it, has to carry over into personal time.
.....Just like you can feed people to the extent that they have appetite for the dishes on your menu.
You're welcome
b!
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Sat, October 18, 2008 - 1:11 PMBriggi oo-la-la! No one spoke about getting anyone fired! And, if it's all good and everyone's acting with integrity, exactly how would one "get someone fired" anyway if they're not doing anything inappropriate? Clearly someone could only be fired for unethical behavior if they're doing something unethical according to the organization they belong to.
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Sat, October 18, 2008 - 1:57 PMFif
that was before we went to India. Now everything's different.
Hare Om
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Sat, October 18, 2008 - 2:06 PMwhich is exactly why I mentioned the geographical thing later and not sooner :)
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To Sir with Love
Sat, October 18, 2008 - 12:15 PMI think that reading all of your responses (and banter) has helped me clarify my question and my thoughts/feelings. Perhaps what I am asking is: is it appropriate to date your yoga teacher?
Briggi, hehehe well I said "crush" because that's what it seems like, puppy-love. I intentionally neglected to mention a big cultural dimension because I didn't want that to impact the way people answered...I wanted my question to be general enough to apply to many situations. But here it goes: All of this is taking place in India. I am a foreigner here. I could go into the relevance of that too but it's a bit boring for me. He's not a particularly worldly or urban person. And I think he might gleam a lot of his ideas of romance from Bollywood films, which portray romance largely as puppy-love crush stuff.
Everyone has some good points.
Okay I am going to stray from the topic for a second and say that although I have to agree with Fifi's point that there are many situations where men use power dynamics to get their ways with women. On the same token, women use power dynamics to get stuff from men ALL THE TIME and yet there is a double standard that says that women who do it are being silly or flirty (now I am thinking of Pallin and starting to feel angry, lol) and that men who do it are creeps or power-abusers. But that's a tangent best saved for another post in another tribe.
ALthough I do not at all feel that this is the case in my situation, I have been in very creepy situations before (eg shit-faced drunk CEO at a Christmas party slipping his hand up the back of my shirt immediately after discussing a contract with his company). I think Marnie's tale of the teacher saying she was "projecting" as another good example. Power plays like this are not always in a sexual/romantic context, but I think that they are things that all of us have experienced at some point or another and they are interesting to discuss. I think I have been clear that this does not apply to my situation but of course it is something that is in the back of my mind and I think it might be there partially because I am a woman *gasp*.
I also think that it is nice to be attractive to others and I have never been the type to get edgy about men being attracted to me. I don't man bash and I have more male friends than female ones. I'm not the type to dress to impress men either nor am I the type to compete or be bitchy to other women. Yet I do sometimes have a hard time defining my own boundaries and I do wonder if this is related to society's expectation of women to be sweet and avoid hurting people's feelings.
So yes I do think being a woman has something to do with it.
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Re: To Sir with Love
Sat, October 18, 2008 - 12:43 PMDear Margot
....Why that puts a whole new perspective on things. India being a traditional society, with pre-1960s -style, pre-"sexual revolution" mores in play, is a whole other ballgame. It would certainly put a notch in the man's quiver to be able to bed a western female. And all western women are known to be a "loose ho" to the local men. They pretty regularly get from foreign girls what they can't get from their own. Having access to foreign yoni is just one of the perks of the tourist yoga class instructor position. Why that son of a bitch!... but count on it happening in that setting. And you've probably noticed at least a few local operators having their tourist girlfriends get them clothes, jewelry, money. Hey girlfriend, find another yoga school... of which there are plenty.
..... Do I feel comfortable? I'm as comfortable as a jewel in the lotus flower. More Shakti!
briggi!
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Re: To Sir with Love
Sat, October 18, 2008 - 12:56 PMhehehe yup that was the part i didn't want to mention because I wanted to know more about people's feelings on student teacher dynamics, relationships, etc.
And I live in Delhi. Trust me, they are getting it from their own, so to speak, at least among the educated classes. They just lie about it. I work on an almost all-female team and believe me they are all to eager to cast off the old boundaries. And more power to them.
Sadly I am not a tourist, I have lived here for years on a measely local salary. :( So nothing to give the poor gigolos, lol! -
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Re: To Sir with Love
Sat, October 18, 2008 - 1:00 PMbut just to add all that stuff I said about upwardly-mobile Indian women I work with doesn't apply here. I hear what you say about the access to the foreign er, yoni, lol! but I don't think finding a new yoga school would change that!
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Re: To Sir with Love
Sat, October 18, 2008 - 12:56 PMMargot - My apologies for contributions to personality wars (futile and silly really anyway, it's not like I expect cathy to be anyone but who she is or to change for me, and I am who I am :-).
You wrote - "On the same token, women use power dynamics to get stuff from men ALL THE TIME and yet there is a double standard that says that women who do it are being silly or flirty (now I am thinking of Pallin and starting to feel angry, lol) and that men who do it are creeps or power-abusers. But that's a tangent best saved for another post in another tribe."
I totally agree and tried to make that clear - women who abuse positions of power to fill personal desires are creepy too. (I have male friends who've had this experience with other men or women, they found it creepy, unsettling and all the stuff women do when they're being pressured into sex or a romantic liaison with a person who has authority or power over them.)
Sounds like you have an added layer of cultural complexity going on in a country that is generally actually quite conservative about sex! This makes negotiating romance (or saying no to romance) a bit more complicated. Do you have a circle of friends in India or are you there alone? Good luck :-)
So, my answer (predictably ;-) would be that I wouldn't feel comfortable dating my student or my teacher since it means that there's two relationships with different power dynamics going on (since I expect equality in a romantic or sexual relationship but don't in a teacher/student one, the responsibilities in each type of relationship are different). Perhaps you could ask the head of the studio where you practice if there's a studio policy - some schools of yoga seem quite clear about sexual protocol, some not so much.
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Re: To Sir with Love
Sat, October 18, 2008 - 3:07 PM"is it appropriate to date your yoga teacher?"
Sure, if you want to get to know him better. Seems like the missing component of this conversation is whether or not you want to spend more time with this fellow. Are you attracted to him? His being a yoga teacher or a rickshaw driver is not the central issue. Our minds spin intellectualizations on the fly to rationalize our behavior and our apprehension.
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Sat, October 18, 2008 - 7:52 PMa little off-topic.. I had a really nice date with my new friend. He is also a yog a instructor. We discussed this issue. It turns out he got certified by the ex-husband of my friend after the divorce. So he got tcertified by X when he had a new partner! Small world.. this international yoga world.
He said it's not good to date a student. His point was also that later in a relationship there there could be a subtle thing of "I am the teacher and so therefore.. I am right.. or I must 'show' the way".
I like Charles final point.. if you wan tto get to know him better.. then go out with him.
I am unsure about the cultural layer. I have not been to India. My own travels in Europe and Central America have brought up differences in how US women are stereotyped as travelers,.. and 'loose'. -
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Re: the topic.. slightly off th e major topic
Sat, October 18, 2008 - 8:27 PMJav,
When I was younger, prettier, single, and child-less, I would often receive offers of dance and drink. Many times when I looked the man in the eye and said "no thank you" as politely as one could, I would sometimes be called horrible names just because I turned the men down. It's not just women who need to get over themselves.
I still think that the dynamic of a yoga teacher and student, especially beyond just a simple asana class at a gym, would be complicated by dating. I taught college classes for years and even though I was young--late 20's early 30's--I still maintained a professional distance from my students, despite getting offers of going out for a pint.
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Sun, October 19, 2008 - 2:36 AM>>>>When I was younger, prettier, single, and child-less, I would often receive offers of dance and drink. Many times when I looked the man in the eye and said "no thank you" as politely as one could, I would sometimes be called horrible names just because I turned the men down. It's not just women who need to get over themselves.
And of course I agree with you that that is totally inacceptable and frustrating. My responses were based on the fact that Margot posted repeatedly about how not-creepy the guy had been, and how respectful and gentle he's been with her, and then that being spun around by Fifi into all men are the devil and want only to get in womens pants and then ditch them. Seemed like a leap of logic beyond my scope of comprehension. -
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Sun, October 19, 2008 - 3:14 AMThanks Jay, point well taken. Indeed we did get off topic, perhaps due to knee-jerk reactions that many people (esp women) have due to our past experiences. Unfortunately, these bad experiences cause us to unfairly stereotype all men, even though there are tons of well-meaning good guys out there (I know that some people will think I am naive for saying this, lol). I am guilty of this too.
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Sun, October 19, 2008 - 3:53 AMwell, maybe some of the most important learning here is that in stereotyping against all men.. we can lay down that huge anger-driven energy sucking sword.. and simply clarify for ourselves our boundaries and what is safe for us and not. By laying down a a shield /sowrd set which in many cases is not needed, we are more open to authentic living.
I admit that my words to Fifi were not nice, but they were evoked from her 'take' of all-men-are dogs- because-through-time =women - have been-a bused. theme which I am tired of reading and having projected into discussions.
Teh other great learning is that we coudl meet in Bali.. a tribe discussion gone the RIGHT way.. to make friends.. oh yes and the checks are rollling in already. You will have to edit.. my typing is still a mystery!!
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Sun, October 19, 2008 - 10:48 AMcathyQ~
Beach yoga this winter?.... sign me up for the Bali crew!
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Sun, October 19, 2008 - 10:59 AMonly if you will help me edit my book
1 of our travels
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Sun, October 19, 2008 - 11:07 AMme too please, me too! I actually am an editor by profession (altough you probably can't tell by the type-os in my posts, hehe). And I will even harvest the peaches and tend to the flowers!
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Sun, October 19, 2008 - 12:00 PMwe hav eot share the flowers
I will alos be busy volunteer teachign in a rural school an dhelpign isstruct local teacher sin education techniques and reading problem diagnosis and remediation
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Re: the topic.. slightly off th e major topic
Sun, October 19, 2008 - 9:50 AMJav - I'm really not interested in the personality war you're attempting to start up. I've repeatedly said I know all kinds of men, they're just people, some women abuse power too and student/teacher dating is about a power dynamic not gender. Please stop trying to paint me as someone who doesn't like men - it's inaccurate and simply reflects your beliefs about some huge male/female divide not mine. I like the people I like, I love the people I love, it's not about gender. I'm really lucky to know lots of great guys and men, some of them brilliant dads, all of them kind people who step up and act with integrity. No one's an ass simply because they're a man or woman, they're an ass because they're an ass. Margot was looking to get everyone's opinion - they're just opinions, no one's is actually right or wrong, they're just our individual takes on the situation. -
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Sun, October 19, 2008 - 10:01 AMActually Jav,
You were stereotyping all American women.
"Hit on an american girl though, and if she's not interested she immediately gets uncomfortable, and weirded out, and feels the need to ignore you or go to a different class or something. All I have to say to that is - get over yourselves, you're not quite that special."
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Sun, October 19, 2008 - 4:42 PMYes, and that was an error in my semantics Kimberlee. I should have said "sombunall american women".......meaning Some, but not all.
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Sat, October 18, 2008 - 12:28 PMMargot, in the decades that I've taught HathaYoga, I've maintained one rule: Keep your professional life separate! If I touched a student, I asked before I did. That kept everything above board and in their control. Beginner teachers sometimes have a hard time distinguishing between what is legally appropriate and what is not.
It sounds like you've already determined how you'd like this situation to turn out. I'd recommend you take time to chat with the guy and tell him that you're only looking for Yoga and nothing else early on before there's presumption that it's Ok to pursue you further romantically. If the guy doesn't respect that, then bring it to the attention of the Organization that sponsors him to teach.
Don't let others cause your fears to run a muck in this situation and over react. I believe that if this guy is studying yoga, he should be familiar with Ahimsa: Do no harm! And I believe that he'd appreciate you telling him your position honestly. He probably will be dissapointed however, I also feel that he'll move onto someone else if he desires to use his class a meat bar.
:D
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Thu, October 23, 2008 - 12:32 PMThis post has been 'cute' reading ;- ) pun intended.
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Thu, October 23, 2008 - 12:40 PMI think 'freaky' is more common but either or would probably cause me to laugh hysterically, which might be a little hurtful to the guy saying it. -
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Thu, October 23, 2008 - 3:57 PMIf you don't feel comfortable dating your teacher, then just tell him that. End of story. If he truly is as respectful as he has been so far, then he should understand. Good luck!!!
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Fri, November 7, 2008 - 12:05 PMI think this is completely inappropriate on his part. It's not ok for a teacher to try to date a student. There are all kinds of dynamics that can develop between a teacher and a student, and as a teacher he should not only be aware of that, but be careful about not abusing his position as teacher in attempting to initiate a romantic relationship.
Yes, attraction happens. Sure. And it sounds like he hasn't been disrespectful. But it's still not ok.
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Thu, November 20, 2008 - 7:08 PMoh heaven forbid ...
oh no, not creepy ...
psha
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Sat, November 22, 2008 - 10:32 AMMutual honouring and respect are key in any relationship.
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Sat, December 27, 2008 - 10:58 AMso i don't hear that Margot has confronted her "teacher" yet.
Why not may i ask?
Or is this just a silly post
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Sat, December 27, 2008 - 11:25 AMSay... Margot,
What did ever come of this situation? With all the attention this thread has revieved, I'll bet people are interested in the outcome or experience you've had with this? Please share : ) -
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Mon, December 29, 2008 - 6:29 PMI nominate this as the most interesting threa dof thi syear in this tribe.
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Mon, December 29, 2008 - 11:18 PMIs there any truth to the rumor that they eloped and moved to Kenya? -
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 9:10 AMI like the conversation here, and I do appreciate Lana's points deeply.
I consistently intend to come from such a place when I guide classes, and my experience is a mixture of the forces. The reality is that being caring, and gentle and loving are behaviors most associated with romance and sexuality (at their best : ). A central yoga teacher for me guided us all to touch our students like 'the beloved'. and it is indeed a very sacred opportunity to share love. My experience with actualy doing it is mixed, it creates (some) confusion.
I do make a point of being caring and gentle in my touch with everyone. that matters. The reality is I think its mostly impossible to be immune to attractions that pull and magnetize, we can just learn to handle them with more grace....?
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 11:32 AMYes the rumours are true, we are now happily married and teaching yoga in Nairobi.
Hehe
Actually we ended up becoming friends. However, he has told me straight up that he fancies me, but what to do? Basically try to build a platonic friendship without unintentionally (or intentionally) leading him on! -
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 10:58 PMThat's a toughie Margot. Birds and the Bees and Boys like to prevail where and when they can. I've personally found building friendships with the opposite sex difficult when they've expressed a 'more than friends' interest. Takes some juggling on our parts and it seems most often that the initial attraction of the other doesn't really go away, instead just becomes well (and sometimes not so well) hidden.
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Wed, December 31, 2008 - 8:07 AMhave sex with said persons and get it over with .... sheeeeshhhh
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Wed, December 31, 2008 - 9:27 AMSaid like a true guy! And one who doesn't understand much about female sexuality to boot! (Or maybe he's just trying to help a brah get some or wishes someone in his life would "get it over with"!) *rotflmao* -
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 9:36 AMnone of the above, just practicality speaking
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Re: I think my yoga teacher has a crush on me
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 10:55 PMhehehehe Charles
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