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Mumbai is often called the city of dreams - Indians flock there from the countryside looking for the opportunity for a better life and people from around the world journey there looking for themselves and inner peace. A number of the foreigners wounded and killed in the recent attacks where in India on a yoga tour/retreat. In light of this calculated violence, lethal hostility and conscious actions designed to create hatred and war, I would like to offer up a dream of peace for Mumbai and her many citizens and the many people who lost their lives.
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Re: Mumbai
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 7:31 AMVijay - You are welcome, as a fellow human how can I not feel for Mumbai and her people? May her people keep their hearts open and defend her soul not merely her honor. And, yes, let us keep our eyes open to the causes of suffering and the roots of violence within ourselves and the world. Let us not get caught up in greed so we are blind not only to the poverty of others but our own wealth and ability to give, let us not get so caught up in hate that we are blind to the love and kindness in the world, let us not get so blinded by ugliness that we forget that beauty surrounds us always. Let us also celebrate the diversity and tolerance of Mumbai, and let us hope that the great ingenuity, creativity and resiliency of her people heals her and her people. My warmest wishes and heartfelt support goes out to those in India dealing directly and indirectly with this act of premeditated violence, may peace be found within yourselves even if it is not evident without :-)
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Re: Mumbai
Sun, November 30, 2008 - 5:54 PMAs an American I especially feel bad because it was our presence in Mumbai that seemed to contribute to the attacks (I read they were singling out Americans and Brits by checking IDs.)
Just as the world reached out to us following 9/11, I hope we can all do the same for you.
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Mon, December 1, 2008 - 12:47 AMThat was probably a media ploy to get the attention of the US and UK govs. They were indiscriminately killing, it's just the international news likes to focus on tragedies more when westerners die. I don't think the riots in Nigeria have got much attention even though 100s have died.
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Re: Mumbai
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 1:23 AMFif-
you've nailed it with "conscious actions designed to create hatred and war".... just stirring things up by intentionally victimizing high profile targets... for maximum drama and world attention. I just want to know what group sends a suicide destruction squad .... and what their demands are.
That is so opposed to what some of us are trying to do... to share a vision of World Peace & World Love, through manifestation of wholesome light. So it seems that group is hurting so bad to where they'll commit acts of such intense desperation.
...Just wanting to understand what seems to be so hurtful crazy out there. Crying doesn't help. Can we help each other? -
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Mon, December 1, 2008 - 2:10 PMNo demands Briggi, just an attempt to create more violence and war for the sake of power and profit it seems. Greed is some men's desperation, even when they're surrounded by wealth. While the gunmen may have been poor, the people who armed them certainly aren't. As always with India, it's good to remember that there are stories within stories and mysteries even in what appears obvious. The enemies of peace and love are fear, anger and indifference - or so it's always seemed to me. You may, of course, have another take on it and I welcome you sharing it. -
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Mon, December 1, 2008 - 6:08 PMWow, F - that's a darker shade of black than my pink Hungarian brains can wrap around.
You know, the mass media news sources habitually withhold information. Very rarely do they present the terrorist view... nor their demands. They're probably like, "We'll stop the killing if only yall grant the following conditions....." But that never NEVER makes it to the news, in any hostage or bombing or massacre situation. We're supposed to believe that the terrorists are crazy evil, in it for the bloodspilling and sheer cruelty. Definitely evil monsters to be put down like rabid dogs (with the public's approval). Like Chechnya, Guantanamo, ... all kinds of excess becomes justified.
Why are the terrorist demands never publicized? Because alot of people will say "OK let's sit down and talk to their grievance....". In the case of those terrorists where negotiation has taken place, such as Palestine, we find that their radical bloody methods of yesterday can become legitimized today..... IF it benefits somehow the status quo.
OK, be that as it may, our job as yogis is to count our chakras and make like the Om symbol ---pray for peace from the inside out. AAaauuuummmmmmmmmmm Shanti. Aum Shanti AAaauuuuuuummmmmmm Shanti. -
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Mon, December 1, 2008 - 8:38 PMVery good point--I think the reason terrorist demands are not publicised is that that to do so would be considered legitimising them or their existence or demands. Very similar to the refusal to when governments refuse to engage in diplomacy with other governments...somehow the perception is that talking creates legitimacy..
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Tue, December 2, 2008 - 7:44 AMBriggi - Just reporting on some of the speculation - all motivations to kill many people to incite terror/fear and to incite social unrest and sectarian violence seem dark to me, no matter the justifications for their actions. (The group being pointed to by the Indian government as being responsible have denied responsibility. There is a lot of internal conflict within India between different extremist religious sects already and a big pool of general discontent and poverty, and a lot of government and inequality.) To me there IS something crazy about believing that creating more violence will result in anything other than more violence - but that's a kind of crazy we accept as sane and even glorify and clearly some people think it's insane to believe people can live together peacefully. I simply don't discount that there are people in the world - particularly in the criminal underworld that profits from war, violence, the gun and drug trade, and social unrest - who kill others for profit or selfish gain of some kind. Or that ideology is often used to recruit soldiers by people who are really seeking money and power. Or that there isn't a a big international job market for mercenaries (Blackwater is doing very well right now). I see this very much as something done by humans for human reasons - no big evil, just the usual selfish motivations that lead to people feeling their anger and violence is justified but that of others isn't.
My hope is that Mumbai will not be a casualty of the war humans are waging against ourselves. Cosmopolitan cities are where people learn to live together and appreciate each other, to share cultures which then combine to generate new culture and innovations, to find ways to live together. -
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Re: Mumbai
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 9:50 AMMaybe it's Thugs or Goons or other devotee groups to Black Kali Durga goddess, who find it more important to make blood atonement than cherish their own life. Who knows?
But what's more to the point is that anyone can be an armchair current events analyst. You could be 10 krore millionare if you had 2 cents from each!
So let us focus on something that we, as a community of yogis CAN do something about, and that is to manifest Peace in times of chaos. And we can do this through breathing, meditation, asana, excercise of mind and body.... calculated to put away downpulling vibration from the world outside, centering within, going to that place of peacefullness within,... putting away -putting out all thought/fear/concern/worry/loss/tribulation....going in, centering on peace.....focusing on quieting mind and body.. Aauuummmmmmmmmm.
And then come back to your body, slowly unfolding, and do some nice tingly refreshing asana....
there, now don't you feel better now!
Ja Kali Drga ja DurgeMa, Aauuuum shanti Shiva, bom boolay. -
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Tue, December 2, 2008 - 10:07 AMBriggi - "But what's more to the point is that anyone can be an armchair current events analyst."
Indeed! As we have both shown ;-) Armchairs are indeed comfortable places to analyse and philosophize from, even to meditate from sometimes! It is good to involve ourselves in the world if we want to understand the world (and is not understanding crucial to compassion, being the fruit of the marriage of love and understanding?). Thoughts and feelings and the actions or inactions that grow from our thoughts and feelings are where we meet the world with fear or with love. Certainly, if we are fearful, focusing on finding peace within ourselves is the first step.
May we all do what our heart and conscience calls us to do to create peace within and without. Thank you for joining in this thread dedicated to Mumbai - the city of dreams and possibilities. May all her people - Hindi, Muslim, Sikh, Christian, Jewish, secular and the many and diverse people of Mumbai - find their way through this dark time together and find a way to heal from violence committed by those who cherish violence over peace.
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Re: Mumbai
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 11:57 AM"That was probably a media ploy to get the attention of the US and UK govs. "
I totally agree, and I always find it sickening when the US media makes it seem like death does not count unless someone from the US dies. The bloodbath in the Congo, rarely makes headlines here, for example.
Still, that does not mitigate the fact that the US invasion of Iraq has increased membership in jihad groups exponentially, and even though the conflict over the Kashmir region has been simmering for quite some time, the actions of the US government have bolstered terrorist groups and I believe contributed in some way to this. So I do feel very sad for the role my country has played in the deaths of hotel workers just trying to feed their families. -
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Mon, December 1, 2008 - 12:23 PMKimberlee - Well everything in our world is connected :-) This is the lesson. One a personal level, we may want to consider how we contribute to the poverty that is at the root of so much violence.
(Though it appears that there are probably a lot of layers to this act of violence - from an infamous Mumbai gangster who became both involved with the CIA and a political militant involved in Afghanistan - undoubtedly also partly for profit - to an American Christian fundamentalist group that is apparently associated with some bombings being investigated by the anti-terrorist chief who was targeted and killed. Much of this is rumor and speculation but there is a trail to be followed. This event will be used by different people to promote their own political interests and we may never know the truth since underworld operations like these tend to be a mix of all kinds of people with varying motivations. I wouldn't be surprised if one or two of the gunmen were in it purely for the money and didn't think they'd die. For all the damage caused, apparently the didn't even get close to being able to do what they'd planned to do.) -
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Wed, December 3, 2008 - 10:47 AM'Well everything in our world is connected :-) This is the lesson. One a personal level, we may want to consider how we contribute to the poverty that is at the root of so much violence. '
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Re: Mumbai
Fri, December 5, 2008 - 11:28 AMThanks Cynthia. I appreciate your perspective on nature as expressed in the other thread too. My beliefs are different but I suspect we share, in many ways, a common love of nature and understanding about interconnectedness even though we approach it from different directions. (Which is all good and makes life more interesting from my perspective since you don't seem to feel the need to impose your beliefs on others and I have no desire to impose mine on you!) -
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Fri, December 5, 2008 - 11:47 AMI'd say that sums it up well. nice to cross paths with you here on tribe Fifi -
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Fri, December 5, 2008 - 11:49 AMNice to cross paths with you too. I'm looking forward to reading more of your posts Cynthia. -
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Fri, December 5, 2008 - 12:04 PMI'm looking forward to reading more of your posts Cynthia.
thanks Fifi, I'll be looking forward to reading more from you as well. -
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Re: Mumbai - yoga is illegal under Sharia ( Islamic Law ); recite mantras
Fri, December 26, 2008 - 4:23 PM
We are all connected, as human beings.
One of the core Bahai teachings is
"We are all the leaves of one tree".
This is really true.
I have recently read that in two Islamic countries, Egypt and Iran, yoga has been proscribed as anti-Islamic.
Of course, all Hindus and Buddhists practice some form or other of yoga, which means all Hindus and Buddhists are illegal under Islamic Law. That of course is nothing new.
A Hindu and Buddhist answer to the psychotic malevolence that took so many lives in Mumbai ( or London or Madrid or New York City or Istanbul , etc. ) is to recite mantra.
OM SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI.
OM SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI.
OM SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI.
Of course, as a Buddhist guru, I have a lot of mantras to apply towards this kind of crisis. ( I've done over ten thousand hours of mantra, as well as tons of pranayama and so forth. ) Buddhadharma is after all mainly about overcoming suffering and helping others through higher consciousness.
It is possible for people to get together and recite mantra to multiply the effect, to strengthen the harmonics, to purify negativity.
But pain and suffering are still pain and suffering on a personal level, and have to be addressed on a personal level as well.
We have to work consciously with our thoughts and feelings, as much as do formal sadhana.
We all must, as well, find ways to work together, to prevent and minimize insanity and destruction. That is a real karma yoga, and it is most important.
Anyway, I put forward a standard peace mantra much used by the Hindus. It will of course work for anyone. It's in the Sanskrit vibe.
Sarva mangalam. All Our Relations.
KT
inner medical tantrika, etc.
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