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  <title>Dahn yoga - All Yoga - tribe.net</title>
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    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Fifi</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#292486ac-14ff-4439-9674-19f63e38dcc4</id>
    <updated>2007-05-20T15:06:25Z</updated>
    <published>2007-05-20T15:06:25Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Ms... - Yeah, relentless marketing! *lol*</summary>
    <dc:creator>Fifi</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2007-05-20T15:06:25Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Ms. Leah</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#e98784c1-a286-47f2-b41c-5c2db9bf3484</id>
    <updated>2007-05-19T07:33:22Z</updated>
    <published>2007-05-19T07:33:22Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Anything controversial is worth checking out.  There must be something 2 it.&#xD;
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Prashanti, you need to not be so judgemental.  Any yoga teacher is for the most part very passionate.  If they weren't passionate nobody would come to their classes.  Plus yoga means different things to different people.&#xD;
&#xD;
I'm interested in seeing what's up with Dahn yoga, but it sounds an awful lot like scietology</summary>
    <dc:creator>Ms. Leah</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2007-05-19T07:33:22Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Lars</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#4d0c0e05-e5a4-45e1-b27a-a54c7fa969c3</id>
    <updated>2007-05-09T21:55:51Z</updated>
    <published>2007-05-09T21:55:51Z</published>
    <summary type="html">ok, just to be fair, I never tried Bikram actually, so maybe I was misbehaving (stupid big me...) ;)</summary>
    <dc:creator>Lars</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2007-05-09T21:55:51Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Lars</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#62a2bfba-74b0-4948-ba6b-9b17757873f4</id>
    <updated>2007-05-09T21:53:45Z</updated>
    <published>2007-05-09T21:53:45Z</published>
    <summary type="html">hahaha, this link is funny!&#xD;
bikram anyone?</summary>
    <dc:creator>Lars</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2007-05-09T21:53:45Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
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    <author>
      <name>YogaDawg</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#9e18c10f-0a19-44f2-860d-fc11e37c4957</id>
    <updated>2007-05-09T20:44:36Z</updated>
    <published>2007-05-09T20:44:36Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Gee, sound like the Zombie School of Yoga to me:&#xD;
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http://www.yogadawg.com/styles6.htm</summary>
    <dc:creator>YogaDawg</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2007-05-09T20:44:36Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Liz</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#1c26b176-1a13-45ae-b7ad-6af1c48696ce</id>
    <updated>2007-05-09T17:56:29Z</updated>
    <published>2007-05-09T17:56:29Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Wow! this is all very interesting. i've never heard of dahn yoga until this thread started.  it's strange to me that a group who practice and preach yoga would be make people feel this way. thanks for all who shared!&#xD;
-Liz</summary>
    <dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2007-05-09T17:56:29Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Jason</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#15eaadf6-f25b-4fe4-88e1-8eae3fa81489</id>
    <updated>2007-05-09T16:44:52Z</updated>
    <published>2007-05-09T16:44:52Z</published>
    <summary type="html">I been doing this Dahn Yoga for about 4 months now, right away i knew something was strange  with the place, but i was a sucker and signed a yr contract;-( so i still go.  The classes are actually kinda fun but i truely get VERY annoyed with the constant bagering to sign up for more classes. I told them i was going back to college, and they seemed sad, and then tried to get me to sign up for this stupid Phoniex Project instead of going to school, if the place would just stop with all the crappy sales it would be half bad. It just gets very old to have them ty to convinces you to sign up for a 395 dollors healing class our a 6000 dollor 12 day that right 12 day, 6000dollor classes in Phoniex to learn Tie Chi!!!!!</summary>
    <dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2007-05-09T16:44:52Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Mike</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#86046201-eeba-4e9d-9959-d815820e50fa</id>
    <updated>2007-02-23T19:24:40Z</updated>
    <published>2007-02-23T19:24:40Z</published>
    <summary type="html">I've done Dahn yoga as well.  The way they work is they teach you exercises that help them control your mind.  They send you messages to encourage you to spend more $$.  It's that simple.</summary>
    <dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2007-02-23T19:24:40Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Lisa</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#9b449849-d091-4fb7-a237-fc5e1c2ad332</id>
    <updated>2006-04-29T00:56:30Z</updated>
    <published>2006-04-29T00:56:30Z</published>
    <summary type="html">I am so glad I came across this website.  I joined a Dahn yoga center on Wednesday.  Boy, did I feel pressured!  It is very expensive.  I didn't pay the amount that was quoted, I bargained it down a bit, but I still paid too much.  Luckily I still have time to cancel...which I will!&#xD;
&#xD;
I went to one class and found it VERY beneficial.  The breathing exercises were great.  The body patting was different but I felt warmer and more alert after the class.  I think I should have gone home and "sat with" my experience before signing up for six months.  UGH!  All is not lost, I can still cancel the contract and get my post-dated checks back...what was I thinking.  Oh yeah, I wasn't.  &#xD;
&#xD;
I'm just going to go back to my old yoga studio and incorporate some of the Dahn yoga into my everyday practice.&#xD;
&#xD;
Thanks so much!!!</summary>
    <dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2006-04-29T00:56:30Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Eileen</name>
    </author>
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    <updated>2006-04-24T20:48:24Z</updated>
    <published>2006-04-24T20:48:24Z</published>
    <summary type="html">I did Dahn Hak for 3 years ... began, volunteering to pay for the study ... being on disability, makes this even more expensive ... but, they were such a community and I always felt special, was totally convinced THIS was going to cure me (i have MS) ... it's a total ego boost when, everyone stops, and bows when you walk thru the door ... &#xD;
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my body did get stronger, and the smiling, hard core workouts, combined with breathing, really deliver a high, that's addictive ... at any rate 2 1/2 years into it, I had a major exacerbation, causing me to retreat to my bed (vertigo) the Dahn told me not to worry, it was just my energy changing ... when they convinced me to see the "master' for a $500 workshop and all he did was to put a pulsing, plastic brain on my head ... &#xD;
&#xD;
then, they told me, again, it was in my head ... I thought "yeah, all over my brain" and got, SO mad ... I stopped and switched to Kindalini, and haven't interrupted my training sincer ...&#xD;
&#xD;
bye the bye, Dahn Hak is listed as a cult  on the net ... the $$ thing, really got me and when I stopped paying they stopped bowing ... it doesn't seem so enlightened to me, anymore!  and ashtanga &amp;amp; kundalini are more gentle and don't teach "it hurts so good!"  like the dahn ... loving the self seems way more enlightened!  frankly ... E</summary>
    <dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2006-04-24T20:48:24Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
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    <author>
      <name>alethea</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#f9951bbe-4047-4cd2-88e4-5b15a65f2db5</id>
    <updated>2006-04-21T19:52:17Z</updated>
    <published>2006-04-21T19:52:17Z</published>
    <summary type="html">I got a flyer in the mail for a free "aura reading."  Went in and met a lovely little lady I really love.  Signed up for classes, which I enjoyed.  Went to YEHA retreat in Sedona, started feeling a little weary.  Beginning with trusting leaders 100%, to a dance that reminded me of hail Hitler, then to relentless push to join $6,000 school.  Googled and came across this site, good to hear others' feedback.  Excersizes were wonderful, and Sedona is gorgeous hands-down, but being a certified Ashtanga yoga instructor, I've had issues with them calling it YOGA from day one.  Then the whole idea of cost and selling bothered me.  Would like to believe they're a good group, but not so sure....</summary>
    <dc:creator>alethea</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2006-04-21T19:52:17Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Mike</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#692c7974-0f4e-4561-8135-6d389c76ffed</id>
    <updated>2004-07-29T13:17:35Z</updated>
    <published>2004-07-29T13:17:35Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Maxim- So it's the premise of your argument that we should take no responsibility for hurting other people's feelings?&#xD;
&#xD;
Perhaps you should give this a little more thought and come back when you have a stronger argument.</summary>
    <dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2004-07-29T13:17:35Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
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    <author>
      <name>maxim</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#e5c9457e-adf2-4926-bd94-f3aee53af822</id>
    <updated>2004-07-29T06:24:49Z</updated>
    <published>2004-07-29T06:24:49Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Hi, Mike&#xD;
&#xD;
I was reading this thread, and had a question&#xD;
for you..&#xD;
&#xD;
Pretty much anything might cause a "normal" person to experience negative emotions. If someone's "feelings get hurt" by something I say or do, isn't it an indication of something they should work on? &#xD;
&#xD;
I am not sure why you'd call "intolerant" someone who is&#xD;
expressing their view. Isn't it, in fact, intolerant&#xD;
to say that they should not do so?&#xD;
&#xD;
Maxim.</summary>
    <dc:creator>maxim</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2004-07-29T06:24:49Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Wendalicious</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#f2906ba9-7c2c-479b-8816-dd12f9fc8aab</id>
    <updated>2004-07-27T22:37:15Z</updated>
    <published>2004-07-27T22:37:15Z</published>
    <summary type="html">J3 - I love your art!&#xD;
&#xD;
W.</summary>
    <dc:creator>Wendalicious</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2004-07-27T22:37:15Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
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    <author>
      <name>$item.owner.firstName</name>
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    <updated>2004-07-27T19:10:55Z</updated>
    <published>2004-07-27T19:10:55Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Wendalicious, thanx for the post.Till today I hadn't heard of this pratice.&#xD;
I have a friend that is a real psychic detective (he's actually helped solve cases with the Chicago Police department), and he told me that Aura photography is totally bogus!&#xD;
Beware of any one trying to sell you on that stuff.</summary>
    <dc:creator>$item.owner.firstName</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2004-07-27T19:10:55Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Wendalicious</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#fd75a99d-6bd7-435f-bb75-c0045cddcca7</id>
    <updated>2004-07-27T18:23:57Z</updated>
    <published>2004-07-27T18:23:57Z</published>
    <summary type="html">I'm sorry you had a bad experience. Thank you for sharing, though. I've never taken a class, but the Center in our town has flyers everywhere - they seem to put a lot of money into their marketing. &#xD;
&#xD;
I walked in to tell the people who run the place their students are parking in our spaces (like I said, my business is right across the street) and the guy tried to talk me into coming to a class! Talk about having your sales pitch ready at any time. I told him I was very happy with my current yoga studio. &#xD;
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______________________________________________&#xD;
Here's a clip from an article I found online from the Seattle Post-Intelligencer about Dahnhak Yoga:&#xD;
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"...[Ilchi] Lee, 53, also modernized Dahnhak, an ancient Korean mind-body-spirit tradition of optimizing one's energy, or ki. Most of the places where both practices are taught call themselves "yoga" centers, though there's no downward dog and the techniques are often very different from Hatha yoga.&#xD;
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Complementary practices, Dahnhak and brain respiration aren't easily defined. They combine elements of religion, self-help, meditation, healing and Eastern philosophy and medicine with martial arts movements, stretching, tai chi, specialized breathing, visualization and more. Other techniques include tapping or thumping parts of the body to release "stagnant" energy, self-massage and even occasional dancing to disco.&#xD;
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The ultimate goal of brain respiration and Dahnhak, said Lee, is to develop a "power brain" that is creative, peaceful and productive. Certainly, there is plenty of research showing that exercise and cognitive stimulation help keep a brain "young."&#xD;
&#xD;
But Lee isn't concerned that there's no proof positive of his theories and training. "There's a lot of facts and truth out there that science can't verify yet," said Lee, who is now based in Sedona, Ariz. "It's science's job to catch up."&#xD;
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Lee and his Web site say that the University of California at Irvine's Center for Brain Aging and Dementia is studying his methodology. Not so, they say. An assistant to the director there, Dr. Carl Cotman, adds, "We do not endorse him. At all."&#xD;
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Lee said he began developing his training about 25 years ago when he did 21-day solitary retreats. He started testing whether his theories and methods would help others, first working with one person in a park. Now, an estimated million people practice Dahnhak and brain respiration, most in Korea.&#xD;
&#xD;
To doubters, he likes to say that it was only a few hundred years ago that humankind thought the sun revolved around the Earth.&#xD;
&#xD;
Studying Dahnhak and brain respiration isn't cheap. Students are encouraged to come three times a week and employees say the cost works out to $8 to $15 per class. A three-month membership with unlimited classes costs $390. But they say many can practice at home after about a year of study, and there are books and videos for those who don't go to the centers.&#xD;
&#xD;
They also sell products that supposedly help energy flow, such as necklaces and bracelets, and a $90 "power brain," a "portable brain energizer," in the form of a spongy, yellow noggin that vibrates and fits in one's palm.&#xD;
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Participants wear martial arts-style uniforms. They emphasize etiquette, bowing and greeting each other in Korean, often with hugs. "We just teach and let people experience. At first, we just transfer cosmic energy to people," said Geum Hwa, the regional manager for Dahn centers in the Puget Sound area. "But after you learn how to, you can create your own energy."&#xD;
&#xD;
Most find out about the training through fliers or word-of-mouth. Many who come through the door have depression, stress or loneliness, Hwa said. A new student first has an "aura picture" taken, and gets an "energy checkup" before an individualized training plan is created..."</summary>
    <dc:creator>Wendalicious</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2004-07-27T18:23:57Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
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    <author>
      <name>$item.owner.firstName</name>
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    <updated>2004-07-27T18:11:30Z</updated>
    <published>2004-07-27T18:11:30Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Mike,&#xD;
&#xD;
No, you do not have to adopt the spiritual side of yoga, but it is more efficient.  Efficiency is the key.  You can do it other ways, but you'll probably be doing it the hard way.  Vedic culture is obsessed with efficiency.  Think of vedic sciences (yoga included) as a voice of efficiency in a sea lacking in efficiency at times.  I understand this and accept it, but I still stick to what I know and feel.  It is a paradox.  We are in a great time period of the Kali Yuga where inefficiency is the word of the day.  Doing cocaine everyday could bring enlightenment, but it might not be the best way to go.  It is all fair game, but what is quicker.  That is the point I'm making.&#xD;
&#xD;
Anyway, I look forward to your comments.&#xD;
&#xD;
Hari Om,&#xD;
&#xD;
Prashanti</summary>
    <dc:creator>$item.owner.firstName</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2004-07-27T18:11:30Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#e5ccb5ae-f20c-4efa-87f3-d824d83d0852" />
    <author>
      <name>Mike</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#e5ccb5ae-f20c-4efa-87f3-d824d83d0852</id>
    <updated>2004-07-27T17:42:08Z</updated>
    <published>2004-07-27T17:42:08Z</published>
    <summary type="html">So it's the supposition of that argument that if you want the physical benefits of yoga- for example- the stretching, the strength, the breathing, etc...  you must- without exception- MUST adopt the spiritual side of yoga as well or you're doing it wrong?&#xD;
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Is that your thesis?  I just wanted to make sure before I destroy it :)&#xD;
Remember- debate is good, right?</summary>
    <dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2004-07-27T17:42:08Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#ef595c27-1938-48a1-a31e-0e70e2a71f52" />
    <author>
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    <updated>2004-07-27T17:24:23Z</updated>
    <published>2004-07-27T17:24:23Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Liatrus,&#xD;
&#xD;
Thanks for your comments-I like a good debate!  Here is a yoga history bit for you.  Yoga is not exercise.  It should not be used as a tool to build the ego or anything finite.  That is why many yoga masters in the past refused to teach yoga to people who were not familiar with the basic philosophical foundations of yoga.  They saw that people would abuse it like it is being misused and abused in America.  The yoga masters of the past did not do this just for the sake of being pompous assholes, but they had deep understanding and thought for the long-term repercussions.&#xD;
&#xD;
Anyone can do yoga for whatever reason they like.  You are responsible for you.  Some people are meant to do things wrong-it is their destiny.  You will find this information in vedic astrology, another sister science of yoga.  &#xD;
&#xD;
Hari Om,&#xD;
&#xD;
Prashanti</summary>
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    <dc:date>2004-07-27T17:24:23Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#0ba6ce84-a975-4717-b65e-8f60557c7a62" />
    <author>
      <name>Mike</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#0ba6ce84-a975-4717-b65e-8f60557c7a62</id>
    <updated>2004-07-27T17:10:03Z</updated>
    <published>2004-07-27T17:10:03Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Prashanti,&#xD;
&#xD;
I know it wasn't out of meanness that you said it- it honestly didn't sound mean. It sounded really intollerant though.  I mean- Yoga has defenitely gone through a transformation in the past 5 years- but who is to say that the change has been necesarily bad.  I certainly don't think it's my place to judge this :)&#xD;
&#xD;
Yoga is an ancient form of expression- and yes- there are streams of yoga these days that have diverted so greatly from the original- that the proponents of the old school cluck their tongues and have panic attacks, but that's the problem of the person having the panic attack- not the person who they're having it about.&#xD;
&#xD;
Some people say- it's no longer yoga.  Some people say it's still yoga- just massaged to make it digestible to the Western Market (it's a culture thing).  Just try to remember that even though the yoga-ites might be seem to be doing something very different from you- they still are reading this thread and their feelings get hurt just as much as yours if someone disparaged your practice or livelyhood.&#xD;
&#xD;
Cheers.&#xD;
-Mike</summary>
    <dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2004-07-27T17:10:03Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#740717bf-7c24-4aff-b38b-debef48abddb" />
    <author>
      <name>$item.owner.firstName</name>
    </author>
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    <updated>2004-07-27T16:59:42Z</updated>
    <published>2004-07-27T16:59:42Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Mike,&#xD;
&#xD;
What I say is not done out of meanness, but just calling a spade a spade.  I know many things I say come across as rough and intolerant; but I'm just here to bring balance to all flagrant fluffiness and neglectful handling of yoga by the "senior yoga teachers of America".  I have done my yoga homework in studying the foundations and principles of yoga and its sister sciences.  Whenever I open my mouth people think, are you talking about yoga?  The little bit of hair I have left on my head just wants to curl.  Yoga is about building your inner self and realizing that.  Most yoga teacher enables and caters to the low self-esteem in their students and they make a hefty profit in the process.  There is no room for the little self in my yoga class-we are working on the big I am.  If you read the powerful commentaries by the great yoga proponents such as Ramakrishna, Sri Aurobindu, Swami Sivananda, etc. you will see that I speak right in line with them.  Not because I'm a blind follower of them, but I have contemplated what they said whether I agreed with it or not and built myself upon their wise words.  Yoga students and teacher need to crack a yoga history book and open their eyes.  Then what I say will not seems too intolerant and mean; but just speaking the bitter truth. &#xD;
&#xD;
Anyway, we are in the Kali Yuga, so we are suppose to do everything wrong.&#xD;
&#xD;
Hari Om,&#xD;
&#xD;
Prashanti    &#xD;
&#xD;
P.S.  Debate is also a limb of the Vedas of which yoga is a part of.  Debate is healthy and makes one stronger and a better person.  Censorship in the framing of thoughts is the real evil.</summary>
    <dc:creator>$item.owner.firstName</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2004-07-27T16:59:42Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#0592d438-5957-4724-8ccb-b2d0b08ccf68" />
    <author>
      <name>liatrus</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#0592d438-5957-4724-8ccb-b2d0b08ccf68</id>
    <updated>2004-07-27T16:37:36Z</updated>
    <published>2004-07-27T16:37:36Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Thank you Mike I was thinking that post seemed a little harsh. &#xD;
&#xD;
Yoga like most things takes research to cull the good from the bad. I have not heard anything about Dahn but I suggest people investigate things before they choose them. &#xD;
&#xD;
As for "yoga studio with hyped up house music and some half witted yoga teacher trying to aspire to be a choreographer from their dancing school days". I take personal offense to this comment. I used to be a dancer and a dance teacher that came to yoga from a dance background, and have taught yoga in dance studios and gym classes. The people who come to those classes are not looking for the spiritual aspect of yoga, they want exercise. I do see some students that want more than exercise from their practice and I encourage them to seek another teacher because although I feel my personal practice is well-rounded, including the physical as well as the emotional and spiritual, I know I could not be a mentor for that type of student. So the next time you see a yoga teacher that does not meet your standards, be aware that many of them are sensitive and respectful to all aspects of yoga and guide those that seek more to other places.</summary>
    <dc:creator>liatrus</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2004-07-27T16:37:36Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#1aae2b7e-3b1e-4460-acd9-95252876978f" />
    <author>
      <name>$item.owner.firstName</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#1aae2b7e-3b1e-4460-acd9-95252876978f</id>
    <updated>2004-07-27T16:29:56Z</updated>
    <published>2004-07-27T16:29:56Z</published>
    <summary type="html">I'm not sure, but that is what I've been told.</summary>
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    <dc:date>2004-07-27T16:29:56Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#6de95ada-73f1-4120-b2f1-06882fa19a21" />
    <author>
      <name>Mike</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#6de95ada-73f1-4120-b2f1-06882fa19a21</id>
    <updated>2004-07-27T16:16:17Z</updated>
    <published>2004-07-27T16:16:17Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Prashanti,&#xD;
&#xD;
The way you're talking about other yoga forms, and the people who practice them (you likenned them to sheep)- that's probably not the best way to talk about it.&#xD;
&#xD;
If you were looking at ways to show tollerance, wisdom, and a healthy attitude towards yourself- perhaps there are better ways to frame things.&#xD;
&#xD;
Just a thought.</summary>
    <dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2004-07-27T16:16:17Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#a2a2c9c4-031d-40fb-b396-7d0f9ff55f27" />
    <author>
      <name>$item.owner.firstName</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#a2a2c9c4-031d-40fb-b396-7d0f9ff55f27</id>
    <updated>2004-07-27T16:15:21Z</updated>
    <published>2004-07-27T16:15:21Z</published>
    <summary type="html">J3,&#xD;
&#xD;
I was speaking in generalities.  There are power yoga venues that are good, but as a whole they are typically as I stated.  This is my experience.  You could have a totally different one.  I'm just giving my two cents.  As I stated in previous posts most yoga teachers in America are totally clueless in regards to the big picture of yoga.  In particular, they either are ignorant of the energetic systems within yoga or take various energetic systems from various traditions trying to splice them together.  Secondly, they are lacking in knowledge of matching practice to practitioner.  Like I stated in previous posts most Americas should be overemphasizing solitude, quiet meditations and inner reflection to balance out the hectic lifestyle in America verses going to a yoga studio with hyped up house music and some half witted yoga teacher trying to aspire to be a choreographer from their dancing school days.  If yoga teachers would study and apply just a little Ayurveda (a sister science of yoga dealing with life) then they would understand this.  David Frawley and Robert Svobodha, experts in Ayurveda and Yoga, constantly talk about this.  But what does the yoga establishment do.  They give David and Robert lip service and do the exact opposite.  Let me know if this does not answer your question.  &#xD;
&#xD;
Hari Om,&#xD;
&#xD;
Prashanti      &#xD;
&#xD;
&#xD;
P.S.  Are you sure Mark Blanchet is creator of power yoga I could have swore it was Beryl Bender Birch (sp?).  Speaking of her power yoga it cracked me up she wrote a book called, "Power Yoga" and it is basically "Ashtanga light" from P. Jois of India.  I thought, wow she has balls to rip off from a yoga master and then just rename the system.</summary>
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    <dc:date>2004-07-27T16:15:21Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#02fce8d5-af2f-45f5-a4d1-99d835a9610c" />
    <author>
      <name>$item.owner.firstName</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#02fce8d5-af2f-45f5-a4d1-99d835a9610c</id>
    <updated>2004-07-27T14:36:46Z</updated>
    <published>2004-07-27T14:36:46Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Why do you say this about power yoga? I've studied for the past two and a half years with a power yoga teacher that is a student of Mark Blanchet (sp? ; creator of power yoga). Our class is beautiful. A practice that teaches egolessness, unconditional love, strength, balance, and compassion.&#xD;
There's nothing theatrical going on in our studio. Is there an element missing that you know of?&#xD;
We're a flow based practice with an extra chaturanga in our sun salutation.&#xD;
That isn't very theatrical.&#xD;
Oh and the students that shop around and go to work shops all over the world, find Miche, the owner of our studio (Marks pupil) to be second to no other.&#xD;
I'm Buddhist, and the words of my yoga teacher are the same as that of my sensei, Ogui. My teacher is not lack luster, she is wise beyond her years.</summary>
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    <dc:date>2004-07-27T14:36:46Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#377174a7-8ae6-4534-8182-d41430466525" />
    <author>
      <name>$item.owner.firstName</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#377174a7-8ae6-4534-8182-d41430466525</id>
    <updated>2004-07-27T14:10:25Z</updated>
    <published>2004-07-27T14:10:25Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Thanx for the heads up.&#xD;
I'm sorry we couldn't advise you better befor they roped you in.</summary>
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    <dc:date>2004-07-27T14:10:25Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#7f4ed2b6-3b8e-4469-858c-d615b346be45" />
    <author>
      <name>Gina</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#7f4ed2b6-3b8e-4469-858c-d615b346be45</id>
    <updated>2004-07-27T00:39:17Z</updated>
    <published>2004-07-27T00:39:17Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Ah, good.  Thank you for the link.  I got talked into an "evaluation" (I forget the term they used) when I stopped in, but I left feeling creepy...there was a lot of money stuck into this place and it had just opened up.  And the sales guy was pushy.  It was like voluntarily taking on a telemarketer face to face.  I couldn't just hang up.&#xD;
&#xD;
So in the evaluation, the teacher tested my flexibility and had me do some pretty stupid exercises before she checked my emotional/spiritual state.  She then told me all kinds of personal things about myself--it was kind of like going to a tarot card reader or calling a phone psychic, or something.  I actually started crying because she hit a sensitive emotional nerve.  &#xD;
&#xD;
As I was getting ready to leave, I realized that she could probably guess much of my emotional problems from the brief questionnaire they had me fill out before the evaluation.  Or they could assume that anyone that walks in the door has problems that they're seeking help for. &#xD;
&#xD;
I left before I could get a sales pitch, but they've already called me at my home and left a message.&#xD;
&#xD;
The whole thing just screamed "CULT" to me.</summary>
    <dc:creator>Gina</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2004-07-27T00:39:17Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#5f6a0f56-a1fb-431b-880f-3832fade893f" />
    <author>
      <name>$item.owner.firstName</name>
    </author>
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    <updated>2004-07-26T20:37:28Z</updated>
    <published>2004-07-26T20:37:28Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Yes, ditto with Wendalicious's comments.  This is a big trend in America.  Lackluster teachers commanding big money for the yoga experience.  Kinda like scientology in someways...  But than again most people new to yoga want that big hype and go to a yoga studio class that is "popular" and with many people in the class.  That is why power yoga and bikram yoga are so popular.  It is like yoga classes have become some big theatrical production.  It is also like going to an American made movie-lots of special effects, but nil on the substance.  Almost all the great teachers I have met have charged very little or nothing for there services minus the theatrics.  You work with a teacher, get the instruction you need and practice it consistently.  That is all you need.  Dahn yoga will get bigger only because most people are like sheep.&#xD;
&#xD;
Hari Om,&#xD;
&#xD;
Prashanti</summary>
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    <dc:date>2004-07-26T20:37:28Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Dahn yoga</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#4bf4d6e6-13bf-4857-992c-9ef8b468857f" />
    <author>
      <name>Wendalicious</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#4bf4d6e6-13bf-4857-992c-9ef8b468857f</id>
    <updated>2004-07-26T19:48:27Z</updated>
    <published>2004-07-26T19:48:27Z</published>
    <summary type="html">I have some opinions about it in that I'm not a huge proponent. My workplace is right across the street from a center. I believe they are incorporating some great ancient principles, but it costs a LOT of money to advance. Plus, I can't quite believe in something that sells you the ability to achieve enlightenment.&#xD;
&#xD;
Here's an interesting link to look at: http://www.rickross.com/groups/dti.html</summary>
    <dc:creator>Wendalicious</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2004-07-26T19:48:27Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Dahn yoga</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#616e6f71-a9d7-4825-b8a6-51f9d5718106" />
    <author>
      <name>Gina</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://allyoga.tribe.net/thread/c692abac-b941-4fd3-a689-047a080c535c#616e6f71-a9d7-4825-b8a6-51f9d5718106</id>
    <updated>2004-07-25T15:46:36Z</updated>
    <published>2004-07-25T15:46:36Z</published>
    <summary type="html">I'm looking for some info and opinions about Dahn yoga.  We have a new Dahn yoga place in town and I'm curious about it and what others think...</summary>
    <dc:creator>Gina</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2004-07-25T15:46:36Z</dc:date>
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