An interesting and amazing resource for those serious sadhaks. Perhaps you choose not to believe with everything on this site, but nonetheless some good resources. Enjoy!
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Re: Do Yoga Classes Help with Spiritual Growth?
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 12:35 PM"Do Yoga Classes Help with Spiritual Growth?"
They can and do but I think they aren't the be-all, end-all of a spiritual journey.
~V~
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Re: Do Yoga Classes Help with Spiritual Growth?
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 5:10 PMany physical exercise/exertion/focused effort makes for spiritual growth but yeah I think yoga especially
but try going for a really long walk sometime . I mean like all day ...or a really long bicycle ride ...(50 miles or MORE )
then see how you feel the rest of the day/night and days after...
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Re: Do Yoga Classes Help with Spiritual Growth?
Sat, March 22, 2008 - 9:20 AMFor some people yoga classes can be the beginning of spiritual growth, but guidance is needed as one advances. Most yoga classes are taught by yoga teachers, not Masters or gurus. Most students, though not all, in order to make serious progress spiritually, require the assistance of someone truly accomplished. Such people are hard to find and do not have large public followings. Perhaps this explains why it is so hard for most students of yoga to tell the difference between a highly skilled teacher and a spiritual master. -
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Re: Do Yoga Classes Help with Spiritual Growth?
Sat, March 22, 2008 - 9:37 AMPsyche,
Where did you do your yoga training? -
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Sun, March 23, 2008 - 1:13 PMI trained in Montana with Taoist Master Paulie Zink.
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Re: Do Yoga Classes Help with Spiritual Growth?
Sun, March 23, 2008 - 2:22 PMIf you can't tell the difference then there's really little to worry about. -
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Re: Do Yoga Classes Help with Spiritual Growth?
Sun, March 23, 2008 - 4:41 PMPsyche,
I know what you mean about yoga teachers with a following. I used to think that I could only practice yoga if an enlightened teacher were teaching the class, but out of ignorance I was comparing them to my Satguru. I was always disappointed, but now can embrace the practice esepcially when they quote the sutras or other scripture or source of knowledge. As long as the class suits my physical level, I am content because I just chant my mantra and focus inward. -
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Re: Do Yoga Classes Help with Spiritual Growth?
Sun, March 23, 2008 - 6:52 PMA true master or guru will possess, to an extraordinary degree, two qualities that distinguish them from others: exceptional energetic/spiritual presence and genuine humility. Once these qualities have been experienced by a student the difference from that moment on is obvious. After two years I developed a personal practice and took less and less formal classes. Now I am content with doing yoga on my own and checking in with my teacher for additional instruction and correction. -
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Re: Do Yoga Classes Help with Spiritual Growth?
Sun, March 23, 2008 - 7:11 PMI havn't reached that level of motivation yet with my practice, as I still benefit from the group environment. I am very lucky to have a great hatha yoga teacher here in NYC. His name is Dharma Mitra, so far the only real school of yoga I have been to in the city. I have yet to check out astanga yoga shala or Eddie Stern's in Soho. -
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Re: Do Yoga Classes Help with Spiritual Growth?
Sun, March 23, 2008 - 7:57 PMI envy your living in NYC. In November I visited for the first time. Stayed four days and just loved it. I hope to visit again soon. Go next time in the summer or fall maybe. I do enjoy yoga in groups sometimes. Seminars can be a lot of fun. My practice has been pretty intense for a couple years now. It's probably time for me to lighten up a bit. :-) I'd like to get better at astanga. The peer pressure of a group class can definitely inspire me to work harder on poses that are hard for me. -
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Re: Do Yoga Classes Help with Spiritual Growth?
Sun, March 23, 2008 - 9:33 PM"The peer pressure of a group class can definitely inspire me to work harder on poses that are hard for me."
Though I've found that this can be both a blessing and a curse ;-)
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Re: Do Yoga Classes Help with Spiritual Growth?
Sun, March 23, 2008 - 7:45 PMI pretty much feel the same way and find I can still learn a great deal even from inexperienced yoga teachers.
We can be profoundly influenced by what others tell us and by expectations, titles, notoriety, and by people who have gained large followings.
When I was a young whipper-snapper I spent time exploring and searching in the Himalayan foothills. I met one fellow, a lama, at a small monastery in a rather remote region. He was curious and kind and most hospitable and we spent a lot of time speaking and sharing ideas. As it turned out, he assisted me with one of my objectives. I liked him a great deal, though he was not a person I would have considered as a teacher - he just seemed like a nice person.
It was not until sometime later that I found out who he really was, someone I'm sure everyone reading this thread would know by name. Had I previously known, I'm certain the entire exchange between us would have been different - I would have most likely been very self-conscious, probably just melted into a puddle. What was interesting was that it clearly was not a priority for him to let me know who he was. In retrospect, I can now see that such behavior can tell a lot about a person. -
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Re: Do Yoga Classes Help with Spiritual Growth?
Sun, March 23, 2008 - 8:02 PMWhat a wonderful experience! It sounds like something out of a movie. -
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Sun, March 23, 2008 - 9:30 PMWow! That's awesome..I don't claim to know of many lamas in the Himalayian foothills, so I'll just leave that knowing to my imagination :)
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Re: Do Yoga Classes Help with Spiritual Growth?
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 12:43 AMI think Life, and everything in it including Yoga Classes, helps with Spiritual growth if I let it. The site I went to broke information down in percentages relating to Spiritual growth, which I find hard to read. Because for me, Spiritual growth cannot be measured in numbers or percentages by equipment or another's perception. I think that steered me away from reading anymore.
I've looked for a teacher for a long time. I haven't found one, maybe because I am not ready and perhaps because I'm not meant to be taught formally in this life. A friend told me I was on a Self taught path, whatever that means. And all I could do was shudder inside at the thought of having to take that much responsibility on myself for the things I want to learn and understand. I felt alone when I heard that. I'm hoping my friend is nuts ; )
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Re: Do Yoga Classes Help with Spiritual Growth?
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 2:51 AMSeems that whatever we happen to resonate with ultimately charts the direction of our path. I'm not so sure if we have any control over what makes us resonate, though it seems that this frequency changes for each of us over time, and when it does - our direction changes. We begin to assess life differently, new people appear and we begin to involve ourselves in new and different activities. Maybe you're just going through a gestation period of sorts, a period of integration, preparation for that which will come.
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Re: Do Yoga Classes Help with Spiritual Growth?
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 6:16 AM>A friend told me I was on a Self taught path, whatever that means. And all I could do was shudder inside at the thought of having to take that >much responsibility on myself for the things I want to learn and understand. I felt alone when I heard that.
This insight is spiritual progress!
A teacher can be anything or anyone who crosses your path at the right time to give you what you need to deepen your understanding and move forward. The time, uncertainty, aloneness, and empty space between these insights and teachers are the stuff out of which progress is made. It is what prepares you for the next teacher. My teacher inspired me to practice my yoga and to learn a way of life, his presence stirred my own spiritual energy, but he was "frugal," downright stingy, with spiritual advice and the sharing of "secrets." Honestly some people don't need a teacher to hold their hand. More often than not those that do develop a strong faith, loyalty and love in their teacher and never move beyond that. The truly motivated take what they need and find their own way. Buddha did.
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Awareness is the method of Yoga, the Great Union.
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 10:25 PMDo Yoga Classes Help with Spiritual Growth?
Hatha Yoga is the equation of HA(sun)(body)+THA(moon)(mind)
But mere physical practice leads to mere physical identity.
Whereas hatha yoga CAN work to tame the lower animal nature, it is only the prepatory stage to emotional and mental wellness and spiritual growth.
It is the first step of an indepth journey.
If it could do more master circus performers would be enlightened.
Therefore chronological order of Yoga leads Hatha Yoga to Kriya Yoga, Raja Yoga, Samraja Yoga, Mahasamraja Yoga, Viraja Yoga, and Avadhutika Yoga.
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Re: Awareness is the method of Yoga, the Great Union.
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 6:41 AM....and as well, I might add, Bhakti Yoga, and Tantric Yoga.... and probably 1000 other yogas yet to meet our consciousness with a name.
Do your yoga Religiously. It's all good. Better the religion of Yoga than the yoga of religion. You need Hatha yoga as the path of purification... to cleanse the temple, the body... to make the vessel resonate with the divine...with higher message, and thus to receive it. There are those who chose shortcuts to the known path... those who choose extreme experience, or pain, or temporary drug-induced insanity, or deliberate huge humiliation... but in the end, the gradual, loving way by stages provides the most lasting rewards.
BE content. Move forward happily.
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Re: Awareness is the method of Yoga, the Great Union.
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 6:53 AMhello Briggi, even after the so-called shortcuts i think one needs to go back to get the basics of purification for long term benefits. There's no step that can be left out, esp. not such an essential one...infact i will put all of this into a research project. will be exciting
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Re: Awareness is the method of Yoga, the Great Union.
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 7:03 AMCool, thanks for all your input guys,
Estrella,
In terms of using hatha yoga to purify your body as a first step to attaining liberation, how would you think of Amma's programs, where there is all sorts of junk food being sold, etc?
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