Nerves in feet hurting

topic posted Fri, May 2, 2008 - 11:39 PM by  Indigo
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I am a BellyDance Instructor and this came up yesterday thought I'd see if anyone has any insight
Yesterday in class.... My class and I were working on a move on the balls of our feet..... This is in my advanced class and I do warm peeps up and part of warm ups usually include either yoga balancing or a little ballet ..... I like to dance on the balls of my feet and want my students to be comfortable....
Anyhoo One of my students mentioned the nerves in her feet hurt when she is on the balls..... And I am wondering if anyone may have any advice at all....
She is very overweight and does have some health issues tho not too bad but just wanted to give that in....
All I could think was to recommend to her simply practicing becoming used to being on the balls of her feet and really work to engage her core / posture...... However she did mention the nerves in her feet hurt.... Any ideas out there
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Indigo
Washington
  • Re: Nerves in feet hurting

    Tue, May 6, 2008 - 8:45 PM
    My experience may be similar. I have been developing an asana practice for around 5 years and I am still extremely overweight. I love my yoga though.
    I sometimes get severe pain across the tops of my feet where the toes join the foot. It is unpredictable and sometimes does not occur for months.
    It makes holding standing poses like Warrior two and triangle difficult. I may have to drop to one knee if I'm in a class trying to keep up. The pain subsides in mountain pose or in seated postures.
    I was concerned enough to see a podiatrist and get an ultrasound. The extra weight doesn't seem to be the main culprit. The ultra sound showed extra bone mass at the base of the toes. When the blood starts flowing into the feet, the muscle swells enough to pinch against the ridge of bone causing pain.
    There is no obvious correction. I am very attentive to how I place the 4 corners of the feet and always keep my toes activated. Vigorous rubbing between asanas helps.
    I sometimes think that the aggravation comes from upward dog. That puts a lot of stress on the top of the foot that I don't feel until i'm in a warrior stance. I also found child's pose to be extremely uncomfortable for years, but persistence has paid off and that is more relaxed now.
    My podiatrist's advice was to NOT play through pain. Ahimsa. But I keep adjusting and observing because I will not give up my practice.
    Maybe this will provide a lead for your student. Good luck to her.
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      Re: Nerves in feet hurting

      Fri, May 9, 2008 - 6:11 PM
      Hello. I am a teacher here in the Truckee area, and I couldn't help but notice your post as I have suffered from this same malady in the past as a bicycle racer. What I have traced it to in many cases, not just my own, was really in the end a hip and back issue. Specifically, a problem where an overabundance of nerve activation in the back, hips and out parts of the thighs caused this problem in my foot. Having had last year a surgery and being in bed for many months in recovery, I noticed it start to re-appear before I was able to re-engage in my yoga practice again.

      Unfortunately, I have noticed that many 'yoga' classes out in the regular world (I lived in an ashram for three years) tends to focus much more on effort than on balanced movements (front/back/side to side) with a rest interval between in savasana. What many so-called 'styles' of yoga do is put one in downward dog or child's pose as a rest instead.

      When in savasana properly the parasympathetic nervous system (the rest/digest system) is activated, relaxing the muscles of the body. In the Sivananda tradition I was trained in, we do this following each asana as well as at the beginning and the end for lengthier periods.

      What I have found is that by teaching yoga with balanced movements in mind as I described above, one can come to know one's proprioceptive awareness relating to the parasympathetic nervous system in tandem.

      Having said all this, this basically makes "workout yoga" as I like to call it, unsuitable for many people with neuromuscular issues like the ones Bill and Indigo have described. Better to go with a more balanced yoga practice.

      Now if I can be much more muscularly specific, it's coming from the back (how it got there doesn't matter so much, unless it's als not been addressed). Once it gets into the back the neuromuscular tightening heads up and down the body in a specific and consistent pattern. Many of these muscles you can look up in Wikipedia or other places, so try to look at it closely and see where the problem lay. I do personal consultations in my Yoga business for exactly this purpose, so I have seen many people with simiilar issues.

      So, from the low back- going down the body- it gets into the piriformis/gluteus maximus, then into the large groups of muscles going down the thighs- vastus lateralus and the illiotibial band. When these tighten, so do the opposite muscles on the hamstrings- mainly the large hammy on the inside of the thigh (also why many people have knee pain when sitting cross-legged). Couple this with the sartorius muscle- which manages to be in both tight places at once- both in the hip and at the knee, on the inside, and slightly underneath. To see this muscle in action- lock the knee and place your weight almost on one knee entirely, with that same hip kind of sticking out. Sometimes people do this while waiting for someone, for example. The muscle that cuts across the quadricep on the inside, making the inside quad look like a little bump near the knee is the sartorius.

      Continuing, the same principle of tightness goes then into the shins, as they consistute the opposing muscle group to the tight inside hammy and sartorius, just further down the kinesthetic chain. What is causing all this is relative inflexibility. As each joint becomes less flexible- starting in the back, the effect cascades down (and up, as I said earlier) causing the muscles on either end of the movement chain to make for the loss of flexibility in that area. So now the shins become tight. This is where shin splints happen- the muscle fascia become so tight that the part attaching to the bones begins to slowly break off parts of the shin bone. Obviously, this can lead to top of the foot problems, or problems with the big toe, which is the end of the neuromuscular chain in the foot. So, putting oneself in a balancing situation on one leg, being so neuromuscularly imbalanced is the general cause for both Bill and Indigo.

      You can see that bending the knee, as described by Bill alleviates this problem by shortening the hamstring/sartorius chain and working around the problem, temporarily, yet contributes to the overly sympathetic (the Go part of the nervous system) outside leg muscles, hips, and back and so in the end might relieve pain, it rather contributes to the imbalanced nervous action, and so one will have to eventually bend the knee more and more to achieve the same pain-relieving effect. Or begin to balance yourself muscularly and in your practice.

      My own yoga practice saves me from this, as I am exploring the vast realm of parasympathetic experience available to me. Yoga must contain three basic things- awareness, breath, and movement. If you are missing one of them (and usually this is awareness, the fundamental component) then it's not Yoga, it's exercise. Context is everything. Context lies above awareness in importance and something which is seriously missing in Yoga practice today. Physical benefits are a mere side effect of real Yoga practice, not it's aim.

      Let me know if you have any questions.

      Om,
      DurgaDas
      Regis Chapman
      Silent Motion Yoga
      www.silentmotion.org (under construction)
  • Re: Nerves in feet hurting

    Thu, May 8, 2008 - 11:53 PM
    If she has never really been an athlete I agree with Cathyq, she probly cannot distinguish bettween nerve pain and the really tight over stressed connective tissue in her feet. I'd say her dogs, and legs need a good and regular rolfing. And meybe ice after class for a while to keep from developing fasciatus. my 2 cents.
  • Re: Nerves in feet hurting

    Fri, May 9, 2008 - 11:59 AM
    Hi Everyone

    If she experiences pain in the ball of her foot she should go to a podiatrist and have them check to see if it is a Morton's Neuroma. Which is a thickening of the nerves between the Metertarals. It is extemely painful. I hope this helps.

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