I have wrist pain when doing poses such as downward and upward dog. Lately I have been doing these poses on my fingers instead of my palms. Is this safe, or will it cause more problems?
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Re: Is it safe to practice yoga on fingertips?
Wed, April 2, 2008 - 4:34 AMMy own exp: Just finished up my teacher training (go me!). In the beginning, my wrists really bothered me due to carpel tunnle (sp?) from an accident so I did fingertip and fists a lot instead of relying on my palms for things like DD and plank. It seemed to work. After a bit my wrists adjusted, I no longer need to compensate, but that was after doing quite a bit of yoga, not just 1 pr 2 sessions a week. I have read that using fingers or fists does not work because it is not really taking pressure off your wrists, but it worked for me. I also used to do martial arts for some years and we would use fingertips and fists to strengthen our hands differently.
You may also wanna look into glucosamine/chondroyton or vitamin B6 for joint pain help.
There is no evidence shark cartilage does anything, and its environmentally not cool.
Good luck, let us know how it goes.
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Re: Is it safe to practice yoga on fingertips?
Wed, April 2, 2008 - 5:55 AMHello!
those poses are supposed to be done with equal weight spread throughout your hands.. minus the the center.. so weight is spread through fingertips and also on heel of hands.
Try stretching, ice packs, and also observe what you do repetitively with your hands which you might vary. Driving and computer use as well as biking use many repetitive movements which may hurt your hands.
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Re: Is it safe to practice yoga on fingertips?
Wed, April 2, 2008 - 7:30 AMActually doing some yoga on your finger tips is a good thing. It strengthens them and increases energy flow. All joints need attention. I regularly do finger tip and wrist poses. If your discomfort during downward dog is not caused by a previous injury, but is instead due to the pose itself, modify the pose to reduce the intensity to your wrists. Position yourself for comfort and relaxation first. If your wrists are weak, try some poses specifically to build up their strength. It is perfectly fine to alter a pose to strengthen fingers and wrists.
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Wed, April 2, 2008 - 7:43 AMI think it will eventually cause more problems. Many people use a wedge in downdog to take pressure off the wrists. You can do the same thing with a rolled up small towel under the heel of your hand.
For updog, I would practice on fists instead of finger tips - much more stable for your hands.
But, everyone else made good points about getting to the root of the problem and seeing if you can work on gently stretching the wrists (without weight). -
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Wed, April 2, 2008 - 8:33 AMMany of the muscles that support the wrists run all the way into teh fingers. doing poses on the fingertips can help to strengthen these and create greater stability in the wrists - i would avoid doing too much here, as this can also strain those muscles.
Alternating with fists can help.... as can the wedge idea, or towel. Another method I learned is to just make a fold in your yoga mat and place it under the heel of the palm.
To train proper wrist alignement, i would also do some less weight bearing poses (cat/cow, cobra) and focus on distributing the weight into the knuckles and spread fingers - over time you might be able to work back into down dog, and the like.
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Wed, April 2, 2008 - 3:43 PMThanks guys. I dont have a previous injury, but have worked as a massage therapist for 11 years. When I do these poses it looks and feels like the little bones in my wrist are getting crushed between the floor and my forearm.
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Wed, April 2, 2008 - 4:36 PMI'm reading a book right now that I'm loving (I'll post the name of the book as soon as I get into my room) and she says if there is pain in the wrists that you *should* distribute more weight into the fingertips as they are just as much of your base for Adho Mukha Svanasana as the rest of your hand. People have way more of a tendency to place the weight into the heel of their hand, which in and of itself can be an issue for pain in the wrist.
I believe it to be safe ("it" being fingertip weigth distributment as well as the rest fo the palm and perhaps more fingertip weight until strength is developed) having done it myself (no longer needing to) and as a regular way to practice a proper foundation.
I would not however practice any sort of uneven weight distributment in Urdva Mukha Svanasana due to the amount of flexion already existing in the hands in that pose. There's more of an issue falling into your joint in that pose than there is in Down Dog. Really be mindful to use all of your hand and fingers in Up Dog.
Make sure you're spreading your finger tips as far and wide as you can as well. . (in Down Dog) face your thumbs together then shift them slightly outwards, away from one another in this Asana.
How long have you been practicing this pose Leah? Is this pain new or has it been there as long as you've practiced? These answers are going to be huge indicators for what you should be doing.
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Wed, April 2, 2008 - 6:11 PMWrist problems have been discussed on this Tribe several times. Just try searching on "wrist" in the All Yoga search box.
Here was my response to a prior thread:
Use the whole hand in contact with the floor. Press with your finger tips, as if you are clawing the floor. That should create a sense of muscular energy drawing from the under side your wrist up toward your shoulders (as opposed to letting the weight just dump into the heals of your hands). Don't overly spread your fingers in a way that does not allow that "clawing" action.
Also, look at your wrist just holding it up (not weight bearing). When you flex your wrist, is there a bulge near the heal of hand? This bulge is the retinaculum pressing outward because of compression in the wrist joint. Now add a little resistence with your other hand pressing on your fingers and the first hand pressing back. See if you can create an action that draws the bulging retinaculum back in. This is creating space in the wrist joint. This is the same action you should try to create in Adho Mukha and anytime the hand is flat on the floor bearing weight.
Another thing to check is the alignment of your shoulders. It quite often is the case that wrist pain can come from bad shoulder alignment. The arms should be straight with the muscles (biceps, triceps, etc.) toned. In Adho Mukha (downward facing dog pose) the entire underside of the arm up to the armpit should feel as if it is resisting up away from the floor even as the heart moves closer to the floor. The arms draw up into the shoulders and the shoulder blades lie flat on the back behind the heart.
There is the feeling of muscular energy always drawing from the hands up into the heart, even as you organically extend from the heart back towards your hands and up into your hips and through your legs, in the full pose.
Practicing occasionally on fingertips or "ridge tops" (lifting the heel of the hand only) is a great way to strengthen the fingers, wrists, and forearms, but it is not practical in all poses and transitions (e.g. vinyasas with jumping, etc.) The goal should be to practice with flat hands pain-free.
I hope that helps.
Saprem,
Scott
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Re: Is it safe to practice yoga on fingertips?
Wed, April 2, 2008 - 11:35 PMHI Leah,
Eight months ago my right wrist became swollen and painfully inflamed after a simple strain in the joint. The problem was so bad I could barely get through my daily yoga practice and some of my favorite poses such as handstand / arm balances were completely out of the question. On advise, I started to use my fingertips for Down Dog, Plank, Chatarunga and Cobra and almost imediately I gained much strength in both wrists and transformed my practice. Working on the fingertips not only strengthens the entire hand but it allows the wrist joint to stay much more in alignment, preventing further injury. Working on the knuckles / fist also helps alignment but doesnt build additional strength in the fingers or around the joint.
First of course you need to address why is your wrist hurting, are there contributing factors other than your basic yoga practice?
When you are practicing, modify your Asanas to suit your situation eg, come down to the forearms into Dolphin instead of Down Dog and do Sphinx instead of Cobra or Up Dog. When you are ready to come up to the fingertips in Down Dog, just hold it for one breath. Next week you will be able to hold on the fingertips for two or three breaths. Before you know it you'll be doing 108 Sun Salutes on your fingertips!!
I recently attended a worshop with a Yin Yoga master who says that working on the fingertips will prevent arthritis in the hands.
Good luck,
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 7:47 PMMy advise to you is to ask a really good teacher in person. Here's the deal. All wrist pain is not equal. There are several different reasons why you could have this pain. You need to do what's good for you.
In my personal experience I kept pinching nerves in my wrists. I couldn't figure out why. I change yoga's into bikram yoga. In bikrams there are no sun salutations & down dogs, so there is no weight baring on the wrist. I didn't realize at the time how bad my injuries were in my shoulders, arms & upper back. That was what was causing the pinched nerves in my wrist. I had to stop baring weight on that part of my body until I healed the injury. After a 1 1/2 years of bikrams I was able to go to yoga with sun salutations hand stands, & everything without a problem.
It's important to figure out why. If your bones, vertabae, are out of alignment then your jamming them even worse. If you're wrists are week you need to go through the growing pains to strengthen them. -
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 4:33 AMlisten to your wrists and fingertips. . . as a massage therapist for 10 years I am very leery of taking advice about my sensitive and marketable parts (i.e.) wrists from a yoga instructor. I also think that some pain passes by pushing through sometimes. I have been doing some Chi Gong overhead arm swinging and having some intense pain in my shoulders which eventually passed. . . -
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 4:24 PMnice comments Zeke.
I have found personally that the moving through pain approach tends to work more with qigong exercises that are a lot about moving qi through blocked channels via movement, or holding postures that aren't necessarily weight bearing - than it does with hatha yoga, which has hurt some of my friends using that approach in poses like plank, down dog, lotus, and others.
Just my own findings - i think that we can all help each other refine our knowledge of when to "push through" and when to ease back - because it's sometimes a difficult challenge to know. -
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 10:42 PMYou might try using a wedge under your wrist to lessen the angle. More importantly use the thumbs to roll out the shoulders, keeping them from bunching up around the ears. Make sure the lines of communication move through to help the chest lift and the shoulder blades move down. Like the ankles in lotus keep the wrists alive and awake. The palm of the hand is like the arch of the foot. Pain happens when there is a break in the lines of communication in the body, confusion. Slowly and gently or heroically powerfully we develop this intelligence in our body.
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 11:45 PMI have never actively practiced qigong and am only familiar with the basic principles, but my every single experience with pain has been the body telling me "STOP". My advice is never try to push through pain. With incorrect management a simple stress or hairline fracture can easily become a shattered bone, a strained or inflamed ligament can easily tear and require surgery and months of recovery or down time. If in any doubt, DONT PUSH THROUGH PAIN. Listen to your body!
Just to clarify my previous post, there is a distinct difference between pain and discomfort. Again, always listen to your body. There will always be discomfort when working out a previously neglected area of ythe body, By SLOWLY bringing weight on to the fingertips one breath at a time, one builds strength through the hand and wrist with the joint in correct alignment. -
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 5:07 AMbut everyone has their own body stories. . . I was a nose tackle in High School and carried a muscular 220 on my 6 foot body well into my 30's so in the unraveling of all of that muscle, muscle tears, those heavy lifts, tackle etc. came with pain and discomfort. I had a lot of tweaks and twinges---if I did not push through some pain in yoga and chi gong then I would have skipped reaching for my toe because my first yoga stretch at 24 was just about as painful as anything I have ever endured. . . -
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 7:41 AMIn almost every class I teach, there are 3 kinds of students -
The first type doesn't like any sort of muscular challenge
The second type finds a balance between comfort, challenge and sometimes pain
The third type pushes through just about anything can be considered a 'work horse'. Pain being a temporary state of mind and body that can be overcome.
Many people are type one or three. If I told type one NOT to push through challenge, they'd remain completely complacent in their practice. If I told type three to push harder, they'd absolutely hurt their self.
Point being that teaching students to develop their own sense of positive challenge is key. And just because it doesn't feel good doesn't make it negative. In fact some of the greatest leaps I've made physically haven't felt good, they've been very challenging. Some might call challenge "painful", some pain I simply regard as being "uncomfortable".
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Re: in response to practicing through pain
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 7:42 AMCorrection
The first type doesn't like ANY sort of challenge. -
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Re: in response to practicing through pain
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 4:12 PMKatrina hit it on the nail.
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 8:49 AMOf course the worst and sometimes most enduring pain comes from a simple hit to the ego... :-) -
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 8:57 AMTrue. I think Katrina nailed here as well. I just taught my beginner class last night and we just did our 3rd class. I have quite a few Type 1 in my class already ;-)
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